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post #451 of 978

If the street prices are around $700 to $900 and the sound is really the best thing since sliced bread then that's a different story.

post #452 of 978
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No headphone is worth that much...

The price is crazy but i bet they read head-fi and  if they see that  people are willing to pay that much so why should they ask for less?

If people on head-fi will say that prices are getting to crazy then i'm sure prices will go down.


Edited by pearljam50000 - 10/15/13 at 3:36pm
post #453 of 978
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No headphone is worth that much...


That is why I am hoping for a loaner sample review unit from a local distributor. They seemed impressed when I called and explained my background. I will try it but no way in this world will I ever pay $1500 for headphones, ever--end of story. Fortunately, the distributor representatives don't know me by my web alias since I will be posting my review on a separate web site, but that's another story.

post #454 of 978

Wish i could say the same, my HD800s and T1's are disagreeing with me though :(


Most likely will be getting an K812~

post #455 of 978
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I will try it but no way in this world will I ever pay $1500 for headphones, ever--end of story.

LOL

 

 

When I read old posts I often see the same thing said by some members who are still around.  I sometimes look at their profile and I see HD800, T1s or LCD proudly listed there.:D

 

 

post #456 of 978
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I will try it but no way in this world will I ever pay $1500 for headphones, ever--end of story.

LOL

 

 

When I read old posts I often see the same thing said by some members who are still around.  I sometimes look at their profile and I see HD800, T1s or LCD proudly listed there.:D

 

 

 

 

There seems to be a general pattern with head-fi users that's for sure. Usually working their way up headphones to high end. Then after about 3-6 years many disappear, only stopping by every now and then. Where do they go? ...... speakerland

 

I've definitely changed my perspective of headphones after going to some high end audio shows and hearing speakers. 

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When I read old posts I often see the same thing said by some members who are still around.  I sometimes look at their profile and I see HD800, T1s or LCD proudly listed there.:D

 

 

 

Yes, members who speak from experience, who have actually paid that amount for headphones and can actually confirm that nothing is worth that sort of asking price.

post #458 of 978

Yes, I kind of wish people would stop saying the MSRP is usd $1500.  It's going to send the message to AKG and retailers that we are willing to pay the base MSRP + euro VAT, essentially tacking on an additional 20% margin.  Unfortunately, no headphone is really worth over $1000 (except maybe SR-009) but manufacturers and retailers know people will tolerate it for better sound.  I'm just as guilty of it myself paying $1000 used for HD-800s.  Doesn't mean I have to like the pricing/value structure though.

 

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Something is worth what people are willing to pay, so saying that is sort of arbitrary.

 

I agree though, I couldn't justify spending £1000 outright on headphones.

 

If i buy a flagship,ill buy used.

 

However, some people could.

 

and would.

post #459 of 978
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Yes, members who speak from experience, who have actually paid that amount for headphones and can actually confirm that nothing is worth that sort of asking price.

And others as myself who have personally demoed these headphones for ourselves just out of curiosity and actually manage to avoid giving into Head-Fi's "unavoidable" upgraditis plague.  :p

 

For example, when I demoed the Grado PS1000 and compared it to my angled pad, modified Superlux HD681, I face palmed and thought, do people really pay this much for this garbage?  On that occasion, witnesses listened and agreed that they preferred the HD681 hands-down. Notably, there was more chamber distortion in it than my modded $30 headphone. Ironically, the HD681 sounds like a near, true circumaural copy of the PS1000, sans the "artistic" layer of distortion and frequency peaks which Grados induce.  On an aside, at least the Q701, HD600 and DT880 match their price tags in value, although I feel the sum of the parts of the HD681 still outweighs them. Comparing further, the HD800 is good, but not that good: It should maybe be priced at $600, but not at a ludicrous $1000+.  Still, my hope is that the trickle down effect will eventually bring the TOTL technology of the HD800 and maybe the K812 into this sweet spot price bracket.

 

And getting back on topic, I truly hope the K812 is a real breakthrough, not yet another flavor of the month. (I am looking at you, Tesla T1!) Such touted bragging rights like "five years in the making" and the "extensive research" better make a sizable difference if and when I get my hands on a demo unit.


Edited by Hifihedgehog - 10/15/13 at 9:22pm
post #460 of 978

There is some chance of those hopes being met.  Harman is a company of opposites.  We've seen them achieve amazing engineering breakthroughs and pioneer research that advances the state of the art when the rest of the industry is about the status quo.  We've also seen them run respected and storied audio companies into the ground for no reason whatsoever (*cough* Infinity *cough*) after achieving the aforementioned sort of breakthrough that generally guarantees a company's livelihood.  If you look at their history with products like the Citation there is no question they are capable of making amazing products when they want to.  It just depends upon how AKG is being managed right now really, if they were given the engineering budget and let the creative minds do their thing we might have something to look forward to.

 

Now the price, that's another thing, but this is happening across every industry not just high end audio.  There has been a steady trend of decreasing resistance to people paying these kinds of prices for anything hobby or enthusiast related.  The idea of "sticker shock" is going away somewhat, and the primary goal of any company is to make as much profit as possible so of course they are going to charge whatever they think they can get away with.  The idea of a "fair" price flies in the face of business management tactics in such a retail environment.

 

I've always been curious how many people truly stand by their words when they say they won't pay over a certain amount for an item.  If the interest is there........ if a person wants it, generally they will justify it somehow.  It's just another number once you've decided you want something, assuming of course one has the means in the first place.  The pricing trend of the audio industry is simply reflecting this buying mentality.

post #461 of 978
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I will try it but no way in this world will I ever pay $1500 for headphones, ever--end of story.

 

You know, I told myself something almost exactly like that when I first started in this hobby back in 2006 - that I'd never, ever spend more than $300 for headphones or more than $100 for an amp.

 

Here I am 7+ years later and I've bought four different >=$1500 headphones (TH900, LCD-3, HD800, Qualia 010) and five different >=$1500 amps (B22, GS-X MK1, GS-X MK2, KGSS, BHSE) since then. I even bought the HD800 more than once - I re-bought it twice for a total 3 times!

 

So you might think that now but someday you just might end up doing exactly that. There's something about Head-Fi that creeps up on you and smacks you when you're not looking and ransacks your wallet for its own sinister purposes.... :evil: 

post #462 of 978

I am watching closely and awaiting the K812. Whilst many new technologies may be out there, it is sometimes good to go back to basic....I firmly believe that a dynamic driver still has much to offer and hopefully AKG can optimize and maximize this.

 

In regard to people climbing the ranks then disappearing - I am one of those. I went quiet after about a decade. Not because of speakers really, but because of priorities. Take a look at profiles, photos etc. of many of the members and you will see that a bug chunk (dare I say vast majority) are young - sub 30 or even sub 20). They are still studying. They do not have a huge budget to work with or space for big kit. So headphones are the way to go. Easy on the pocket, portable, etc. As they grow older, start working, make money, and budget allows, they climb the head-fi ladder to the upper echelons. I suspect many, like myself, then withdraw somewhat when life happens and a re-prioritization is needed. And as that phase slowly draws to completion I will return to the hobby once more.

 

And one final note re pricing. To be frank, I will far quicker spend $1500 on a headphone than $150,000 on a pair of speakers. Not just in terms of affordability, but in terms of sheer value for money and what you actually get out of the investment. So, no, I do not think people necessarily go out of head-fi to move to speakers. 

post #463 of 978

Glad to see you posting again Xenithon. Its been a while. I hope this AKG is finally the one :D

post #464 of 978

I guess I should have said not until I land a career, that is. :D Then, it's no holds barred.

 

By the way, lately, I have been seriously considering a Harman internship in my area. Think of the irony: Owning and maybe reviewing headphones coming from a subsidiary of your own employer! And the pain of holding back secrets from fellow Head-Fi'ers. For shame!

post #465 of 978

Testing the K712 Pro, I hope these K812 are not going to have the same or higher amount of bass... I do find the bass on K712 Pro to be a little too much to my liking. While I have no problem to own K712 Pro as a more forgiving and more bassy partner for HD800, there is no way I would sell HD800 to get just a better version of K712 Pro.

 

Comments from Nomax clearly suggest that K812 are going to have some serious bass... He likes TH900 the most.


Edited by emertxe - 10/16/13 at 12:32am
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