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post #421 of 985

Over the years I have found the solution to sarcasm is to always play the straight man in response.  Whether the other party gets it or not there are a variety of ways you can spin it in your favor.

 

......... It doesn't work quite as well in purely written form sadly. 

post #422 of 985

I believe and follow the train of thought that a solid general opinion can be formed on any headphone once about five reliable Head-Fi users and three online review sites, like Innerfidelity, CNET, and WHAT HIFI, have formally reviewed it. That holds true for me with the AKG K812 as well so anything else is really hearsay or straight-up rumors until we hear it straight from the horse's mouth. Put in perspective, we have had perhaps two user reviews so far and only vague professional reviews not delving deep into the sound quality aspects as much as we would like for as large of an investment as this. For now, I am subscribed but patiently waiting for something more substantial to come to the surface, like a Tyll Hertsens or Steve Guttenberg review, to hit the interwebs until I call this a game changer. However, I will admit that I am secretly tending to think this may be, by measurement's standards, the best top of the line headphone to hit the market since the HD800.

post #423 of 985
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Originally Posted by Sonichedgehog360 View Post
 

I believe and follow the train of thought that a solid general opinion can be formed on any headphone once about five reliable Head-Fi users and three online review sites, like Innerfidelity, CNET, and WHAT HIFI, have formally reviewed it. That holds true for me with the AKG K812 as well so anything else is really hearsay or straight-up rumors until we hear it straight from the horse's mouth. Put in perspective, we have had perhaps two user reviews so far and only vague professional reviews not delving deep into the sound quality aspects as much as we would like for as large of an investment as this. For now, I am subscribed but patiently waiting for something more substantial to come to the surface, like a Tyll Hertsens or Steve Guttenberg review, to hit the interwebs until I call this a game changer. However, I will admit that I am secretly tending to think this may be, by measurement's standards, the best top of the line headphone to hit the market since the HD800.

 

 

It's hard to think of What Hifi and Cnet as having the same professionalism and insight as Innerfidelity or even some of the the reviewers here on head-fi. There's definitely a good number of peoiple's opinions I trust on head-fi over Guttenberg.


Edited by elwappo99 - 10/14/13 at 8:45pm
post #424 of 985

I trust my dog over Guttenberg.                                                                        ....and I don't even have a dog.

post #425 of 985

Steve Guttenberg is hilarious. I especially loved him in Police Academy.

post #426 of 985

I already know that Guttenberg and WHAT HIFI! aren't exactly the first names which come to mind in headphilia, but they work for me when drawing comparisons and more specifically looking for a consensus among polar mindsets. I certainly do not care for the subjective first, let the rest come out in the wash viewpoint Guttenberg seems to swear by, especially when it comes to Grado Labs which, in my mind, is overpriced and overrated. On occasion, however, he has given good reviews on other headphones and amplifiers that correlate enough with others that they have somewhat factored into my buying decision.

 

However, I will concede that there are users on here that much better able to review and describe headphones and amplifiers than Guttenberg ever dream to do, most notably ljokerl, ClieOS, Skylab and DavidMahler. At the end of the day, Guttenberg's job is to be a journalist really who meets word requirements that fill pages and increase hit counts while keeping material pleasurable, not necessarily informative, in order to reach to the largest user base possible. In that regard, when I read those kind of reviews which serve that purpose alone, I quickly remember "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?" and promptly put a halt to what I began to read and quickly forget about it.


Edited by Sonichedgehog360 - 10/14/13 at 9:10pm
post #427 of 985
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Steve Guttenberg is hilarious. I especially loved him in Police Academy.

 

(You may or may not get this one. This is real retro stuff here.)


Edited by Sonichedgehog360 - 10/14/13 at 9:25pm
post #428 of 985
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

 

It's hard to think of What Hifi and Cnet as having the same professionalism and insight as Innerfidelity or even some of the the reviewers here on head-fi. There's definitely a good number of peoiple's opinions I trust on head-fi over Guttenberg.

I find What Hifi laughable when they do their headphone round ups. Its so dated and biased. Think the SR80's are still their best buy and Bose are the top dog's! There is just too many Bose and Grado adverts for it not to be obvious. 

 

As far as Guttenberg goes... I'd rather trust tdockweiler's opinion! :D 

post #429 of 985
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I find What Hifi laughable when they do their headphone round ups. Its so dated and biased. Think the SR80's are still their best buy and Bose are the top dog's! There is just too many Bose and Grado adverts for it not to be obvious. 

 

As far as Guttenberg goes... I'd rather trust tdockweiler's opinion! :D 

 

But tdockweiler calls HD650 brighter than K702 65th anniversary which I find impossible... Even LCD-2 rev2 are bright and pacy headphones in comparison to veiled and slow HD650!


Edited by emertxe - 10/15/13 at 12:55am
post #430 of 985
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But tdockweiler calls HD650 brighter than K702 65th anniversary which I find impossible... Even LCD-2 rev2 are bright and pacy headphones in comparison to veiled and slow HD650!

Exactly! :tongue_smile:

post #431 of 985

Going by HD600/HD650 pattern, Sennheiser might come out with a HD850 ( a veiled HD800)  :smile:


Edited by niranhopper - 10/15/13 at 1:19am
post #432 of 985
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But tdockweiler calls HD650 brighter than K702 65th anniversary which I find impossible... Even LCD-2 rev2 are bright and pacy headphones in comparison to veiled and slow HD650!

Say what?

post #433 of 985
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Going by HD600/HD650 pattern, Sennheiser is going to come out with a HD850 ( a veiled HD800)  :smile:

 

lol, 30db bump in the lower mids as a "bass boost" and a breeding underwater veiled should definitely make justice with the old Sennheiser fans!

post #434 of 985
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

 

But tdockweiler calls HD650 brighter than K702 65th anniversary which I find impossible... Even LCD-2 rev2 are bright and pacy headphones in comparison to veiled and slow HD650!

there are also many different sounding hd650s out there. I myself have heard three different sounding 650s.

post #435 of 985
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there are also many different sounding hd650s out there. I myself have heard three different sounding 650s.

 

Who to blame then? It's not my mistake that I grab a completely new pair and find it artificially slow, veiled and midbassy... To complete the story, HD600 were much better and more natural in every possible aspect.

 

I have no intention to listen to every HD650 out there... I just heard some 2012/2013 ones and found them pretty bad (, sorry Sennheiser).


Edited by emertxe - 10/15/13 at 2:08am
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