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post #331 of 985
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Originally Posted by SleepyOne View Post
 

 

Really? Are you sure the set up at the demo really can drive T1 to its capacity? The K812 at the demo certainly doesn't sound better than T1 in my home system. I am not even sure it drove K812 to its potential frankly.

You should have bought the T1's with you! It didn't drive the T1's (or most likely the K182's) to their full capacity. Lehmann Studio Cube was the amp. I listened to the same tracks at home with the graham slee UL diamond to confirm that the main characteristics shone through, the ones that the k812 won in. The T1's prefer a tube like amp and the Slee is designed to offer just that in solid state form. Very good with the T1's. Say if it were this amp used - I reckon the k812s still would have sounded superior. I promise that if I have left my T1's at home I would be able to say much less on how the AKG's compare with other flagships - an a/b listening session is needed especially when one of the headphones you are hearing is for the first time.

post #332 of 985

There is only one problem, with T1 the bass performance seriously dependent on the amp. Even with strong amp like Rudistor RPX33 I only get mid-bassy sound from it. Whereas with EC 2A3, I am getting full range bass and much more powerful and has more quantity of mid bass as well. It sounded quite different.  I don't believe that set up is optimal for K812 either - the deep/ sub-bass could do with a boast (K701 could go lower than that) and detail isn't the highest either. K812 being an easier to drive headphone is of course going to sound better than a hard to drive headphone like T1 when using an amp that isn't the most powerful around....

 

From that set up I am not able to tell you what is the max performance of K812. I hope very soon we will get more reviews with different amps & source then we will get a clearer picture of what this AKG is truely capable of.


Edited by SleepyOne - 10/12/13 at 12:20pm
post #333 of 985
also... where is Nomax to say "I told u so" 
[/quote]i was telling you past 10 days ago! I know the k812 Project since january from the Chief engenier and head mastermind of akg!and i Tell you again THIS will be the LONGTIME AWAITED HIGH END FLAGSHIP SINCE K 1000!regards nomax
post #334 of 985
And the best headphone Amp. for the k812 is in my opinion the SPL PHONITOR!(but in a few weeks there will come the FOLLOWER of SPL'S phonitor on the market!this will be the next Sensation for all headphones in the higher Pricerange)nomax
post #335 of 985
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Originally Posted by Nomax View Post

And the best headphone Amp. for the k812 is in my opinion the SPL PHONITOR!(but in a few weeks there will come the FOLLOWER of SPL'S phonitor on the market!this will be the next Sensation for all headphones in the higher Pricerange)nomax

 

But the Phonitor has an output impedance of 9 ohms, which is pretty high for the K812. Will the next amp lower the output impedance?

post #336 of 985
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Originally Posted by SleepyOne View Post
 

There is only one problem, with T1 the bass performance seriously dependent on the amp. Even with strong amp like Rudistor RPX33 I only get mid-bassy sound from it. Whereas with EC 2A3, I am getting full range bass and much more powerful and has more quantity of mid bass as well. It sounded quite different.  I don't believe that set up is optimal for K812 either - the deep/ sub-bass could do with a boast (K701 could go lower than that) and detail isn't the highest either. K812 being an easier to drive headphone is of course going to sound better than a hard to drive headphone like T1 when using an amp that isn't the most powerful around....

 

From that set up I am not able to tell you what is the max performance of K812. I hope very soon we will get more reviews with different amps & source then we will get a clearer picture of what this AKG is truely capable of.

You know what, that sounds a lot like what I heard with my DT 880, as soon as I balanced it, the bass... really blossmed! THe sub bass really opened up. and the entire sound... just got more visceral and tacitle. An improvement I enjoyed very much!

 

That said, if I own a T1 it will be balanced. 

post #337 of 985
I don't know the technicals of the New headphone Amp. From SPL!the phonitor can Drive all Good headphones and the the k812 Sounds GREAT with the phonitor!nomax
post #338 of 985
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

You know what, that sounds a lot like what I heard with my DT 880, as soon as I balanced it, the bass... really blossmed! THe sub bass really opened up. and the entire sound... just got more visceral and tacitle. An improvement I enjoyed very much!

 

That said, if I own a T1 it will be balanced. 

 

To be honest I was quite shocked myself, I didn't expect such change and was about to give up too! Definitely will go balance soon - just being lazy on re-termination the plug.


Edited by SleepyOne - 10/12/13 at 12:53pm
post #339 of 985
People here use the word POTENTIAL frequently as it is something you can determine by measurement etc.
You can't!
As it is a final destination for a headphone of some sort....where please?
Stop using the word potential in the same context with the so often demanded graphs,measurements etc.
Potential is subjective and elusive and many don't even know how to evaluate a term like potential as they lack the audio experience/education which only comes after you've gone through a lot of headphones,amps,dacs,cables and the synergy between those.
And even then you can't determine a headphones potential because you haven't cleaned your ears that day or your blood pressure is too high.....it all affects your hearing.
But this headphone seems to be good and thats great!
post #340 of 985
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Originally Posted by silversurfer616 View Post

People here use the word POTENTIAL frequently as it is something you can determine by measurement etc.
You can't!
As it is a final destination for a headphone of some sort....where please?
Stop using the word potential in the same context with the so often demanded graphs,measurements etc.
Potential is subjective and elusive and many don't even know how to evaluate a term like potential as they lack the audio experience/education which only comes after you've gone through a lot of headphones,amps,dacs,cables and the synergy between those.
And even then you can't determine a headphones potential because you haven't cleaned your ears that day or your blood pressure is too high.....it all affects your hearing.
But this headphone seems to be good and thats great!

 

This is very true.  Some days, depending on the weather, my sinuses go all funky and it affects my hearing negatively.  It can be quite frustrating.

post #341 of 985
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Originally Posted by silversurfer616 View Post

People here use the word POTENTIAL frequently as it is something you can determine by measurement etc.
You can't!
As it is a final destination for a headphone of some sort....where please?
Stop using the word potential in the same context with the so often demanded graphs,measurements etc.
Potential is subjective and elusive and many don't even know how to evaluate a term like potential as they lack the audio experience/education which only comes after you've gone through a lot of headphones,amps,dacs,cables and the synergy between those.
And even then you can't determine a headphones potential because you haven't cleaned your ears that day or your blood pressure is too high.....it all affects your hearing.
But this headphone seems to be good and thats great!

It is good, and I'm thrilled to hear it! 

 

We ought to take our Beyer Chat else where! Non the less I am finding the potential of my DT 880 is running out, Potential isn't a word I've used... often or ever but. I always like to see things through as much as I can... and I think I have... fully balanced out of the Audio GD 10ES2... at some point I'll move onto the T90 and then from there... it's a plethera of options :/ of which the AKG K812 

post #342 of 985
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Originally Posted by JWahl View Post
 
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Originally Posted by silversurfer616 View Post

People here use the word POTENTIAL frequently as it is something you can determine by measurement etc.
You can't!
As it is a final destination for a headphone of some sort....where please?
Stop using the word potential in the same context with the so often demanded graphs,measurements etc.
Potential is subjective and elusive and many don't even know how to evaluate a term like potential as they lack the audio experience/education which only comes after you've gone through a lot of headphones,amps,dacs,cables and the synergy between those.
And even then you can't determine a headphones potential because you haven't cleaned your ears that day or your blood pressure is too high.....it all affects your hearing.
But this headphone seems to be good and thats great!

 

This is very true.  Some days, depending on the weather, my sinuses go all funky and it affects my hearing negatively.  It can be quite frustrating.

When I've got a cold I can pretty much forget about listening to music altogether - all I can think about is how bad it sounds.

It gets even worse when I blow my nose and my ear 'pops' and all the sounds goes all funny. Then an hour later it pops back again. 

post #343 of 985
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Originally Posted by CantScareMe

 

I had my T1's there with me and switched between this and the AKG around 15 to 20 times, played the same songs at high volumes low volumes and the margin, the difference in sound quality between the two was worryingly large.

The K812's were just so comfortably superior across the board it was striking to hear. That's the point. Okay, the T1's were not driven as I drive them at home, but the system was very good in showing the T1's capabilities.

 

It didn't feel like a different sound presentation - just a superior one - and this ranges from characteristics such as sub bass extension, weight, soundstage depth, layering, detailing, tone, speed and quite a few more. I remember deciding to buy these T1's over the HD800's after comparing them side by side. Both compared well, one beating the other in the end, but both scored points. From my listen it felt like the k812 are in a different class. That's the truth.

 

Nothing better to tell what is "better" on a particular day than a direct A/B comparison. You are directly comparing one sound against another and picking a preference. I just wonder if you will still feel the same way in a month or two or three. I have gone through this myself countless times and always eventually came to the conclusion that there are not "better" sounds, only different....or preferable for that particular listening session on that particular day. If you find something that "stays better", that's great....but it rarely happens for me.

 

BTW, as an open phone, does the K812 leak a lot of sound out the back compared to, say, the T1?

post #344 of 985
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 I have gone through this myself countless times and always eventually came to the conclusion that there are not "better" sounds, only different...

I live by that motto, well I mean yea HiFi and TOTL sound BETTER than Mid Fi

 

but assuming your in the right "tier" the different options do not out weigh each other, each one is a diffrent mix of flaws

 

and I find that I like Beyers mix of flaws for my open cans, and I prefer Audio Technica for my closed cans :3 

post #345 of 985
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 


How many FOTM have you seen come and go?  :D 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

 

Too many to count  :D


 

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12 years
*solid state desktop amp
*OTL desktop amp
*hybrid desktop amp
*open full sized hp
*closed gull sized hp
*portable hp
*IEM
*cables/nick-nacks

 

roughly 1,152 flavors of the month :tongue:

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