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Sorry for not being able to post more details/responses earlier today. Didn't want to log on whilst I was at work, otherwise...well...I wouldn't have worked!

 

I've read the previous pages and thanks to those who read the review. I'll just address a few points here. Again it looks like it's going to be a long post - quite a lot more questions that I thought there would be.

 

Comparison to Current AKG's Top Tier

I haven't ever been a fan of the k701. I've heard it a fair amount of times now and the frequency tilt, the tonality and overall type of sound energy/emotion was never to my liking at all to be honest. A properly driven HD650's rock my boat much more. 

 

AKG's highest end closed headphone, K550, I was enthusiastic about when it first came out mainly because of the all round sound, physical properties and price of the headphone. I still like this headphone and have it with me today, but now, unlike two years ago I feel there's quite a few more options on the closed headphone market. The beyer custom pro's at their highest bass setting (burnt in unit) are great for the bass head, sounding surprisingly near the Ultrasone Signature DJ. And some like the Momentum, sony MDR 1R and the KEFM500 amongst others over the K550. I have the Mad Dog Alpha 3.0 and the Ultrasone Sig Pro on stands right near the k550 and these two definitely sound better in a variety of ways. 

 

I was talking about these headphones and the K271 to Philip before he kindly shook his head and stopped me in my tracks. 'This K812 is completely different to all of them.'

 

Take it from him. Confirmed by me. What he said couldn't be more true. There's no trait, no AKG house sound, no translation from the current AKG headphones to this one. It's a headphone playing a completely different game as it really is, I fully believe, designed to be the best sounding headphone ever. That was and is the goal. 

 

When you guys hear these headphones I'll be surprised if even any one of you disagrees about what it's trying to achieve!! 

 

 

Burn in

I don't think they were burnt in though I was kicking myself on my way home after the audition for not asking. They didn't sound as if they needed them at all. Again folks, it's probably easiest to try and forget that previous akg phones existed (!) as they all in my experience carried the argument of burn in. Personally I've noticed burn in for AKG's from the k550 to the k167. 

 

I find it hard to imagine these improving after burn in. 

 

Like I said I couldn't find flaws and I struggled to find realistic ways in which the headphone can be improved. There of course will be, as it's a headphone and it can't be perfect, but in the time I had it I was so distracted by it's remarkable performance that I didn't desire anything better.

 

 

Drive-ability

A HD800 sounds bad out of my sgs i9000 because my headphone output can't drive it. It is not the sound of all the flaws of this device as it sounds awesome across a range of easy to drive headphones, not least the k812 and Ultrasone Sig Pro.

 

When stepped up to the lehmann and Harman CDP the K812 jumped up at least a few levels in sound. I've heard much less significant jumps, the K550 being a good example. I might have heard it very close to it's potential or still quite far away. Seriously though, the latter prospect scares me.

 

 

Competitors and HD800's 

I've come across both new and old HD800's though I haven't been able to compare them side to side so can't say for sure if one had more bass. Without a/b'ing they of course sounded pretty much the same.

 

Sound-wise I think it's better than the HD800's, T1's and the W3000anv's (didn't like the tinge to the upper mids on the occasions I've heard this headphone). The TH900's I just haven't heard enough to form an opinion. I really like the TH900's though not the build quality and pads/clamp (hit a pressure point beneath my right earlobe that hurts). It may be a matter of preference in some musical pieces as the K812 whilst proving very ample bass looks won't hit the heaviness of the TH900's. With a high end setup I find the TH900's to open up and present sound with more clarity and air, with improved instrument texture and feel too. I can't see it matching the k812 in these areas.

 

 

Pricing, Release and development

£1000 and released across UK (Europe too I think) at the end of November. Philipp told me that the sound is final but there's a finish (form of paint I think) to a part of metal near the earcups that needs completion. Basically it's a final product and they'll most likely try to market this at £1k for some time. The K3003 still remains at the RRP and this will pretty much follow suite I guess. Note that it's still marketed/intended toward the 'pro' market rather than consumer (unlike the k3003 then) so as Philipp said, it'll be available through professional dealerships at least to begin with. I'm sure there's a list on their website somewhere. 

 

It's a beautiful headphone and a price of £1k is competitive in my eyesBrand new the T1's cost £900, HD800's £1k, W3000anv £1100, TH900's £1300, HE6 £950, LCD 2.2 £800......so a £1k K812 is competitive.

 Yea, of course, in an ideal world it would be purchasable from poundland. Scratch that - delivered free to your door tomorrow morning. Unfortunately we're not that special and for all the effort/money they've put in making this headphone, I don't think we should expect a low price. Agreed??

 

 

Headfi Meet 

I asked him about the Headfi meet (promised to be an amazing event esp given how good last time was. So useful). Unfortunately they won't be attending as currently there are only 6 k812's available for sampling and they'll be in America or somewhere exotic like that. He may have said there are only 6 fully working models in the world, not just as sampling units. Can't remember.

 

These are obviously meticulously made all in austria so expect the first batch to sell out pretty fast, but I might hold on until the third/fourth batch hit the market. By principle really. I doubt it, but It's not impossible that there might be a problem or two in the early units and if I were to guess where that would be I would say the headband adjusting mechanism. 

 

 

Tyll??

I'm actually really eager to know what you guys will think of this headphone and it almost doubles up as a sanity check for myself really. I just can't believe at how good they sounded and I won't be surprised if say some of you with larger, more flagship filled inventories than mine approach the same conclusion - k812's are the best headphones you've ever heard. You may come up with a different conclusion, rating something else above it, experiement with different synergies, whatever - all interesting to hear. Remember, I only had an hour with it.

 

I asked him if he was going to give a sample to Tyll. Surprisingly he knew well of tyll's reviews and said he'd definitely be willing to send one over!!

 

Wow...hopefully we'll be getting a comprehensive review soon...


Edited by CantScareMe - 10/11/13 at 4:54pm
post #287 of 985
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Certainly the case to some extent with any open headphone. 


LOL.

 

I don't think your neighbor is going to come knocking in the middle of the night asking you to turn your headphones down so he can go to sleep. 

 

When I use my speakers my girlfriend inevitably asks me to turn my music down (no matter how much noise she is making around the house).   Headphone time!!!!    To avoid any problems, if she is in the house, I just use my headphones.   If she is not around, I might still use my headphones...just 'cause...and also because I never know when she will arrive...and then she will inevitably ask me to turn my music down. :mad:

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I'am very pleased with my current AKG headphones (q701). Seeing a new headphone by the same company, which is supposedly in the hd800/T1 league (my next and probably last step), is really nice! I know what I should aim for now in the distant future.

The current experiences do sound very promising. I see a potential end game headphone for me...

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LOL.

 

I don't think your neighbor is going to come knocking in the middle of the night asking you to turn your headphones down so he can go to sleep. 

 

When I use my speakers my girlfriend inevitably asks me to turn my music down (no matter how much noise she is making around the house).   Headphone time!!!!    To avoid any problems, if she is in the house, I just use my headphones.   If she is not around, I might still use my headphones...just 'cause...and also because I never know when she will arrive...and then she will inevitably ask me to turn my music down. :mad:

 

Hah! I wouldn't have really suspected open headphones to make too much noise, but my mind greatly shifted at my first headphone meet. I heard someone turn a pair of LCD-2s into a pair of bookshelfs while they were on their head! Scary stuff.

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Thanks for the impressions CantScareMe!At the moment there is no headphone I am really interested in as I dearly love the HD800 and have heard more or less all the rest of whats available.
But now I am sort of excited again!
I certainly will NOT resist!!!
post #291 of 985

nevermind..i AM blind. thankfully that WASN'T the review


Edited by tdockweiler - 10/11/13 at 6:00pm
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I've spent 12 years at Head-Fi. When people are wowed right off the bat, I know what's coming later on.

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I've spent 12 years at Head-Fi. When people are wowed right off the bat, I know what's coming later on.

 

Disappointment?

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post #227  

first impression. 

 

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i hv actually gave up on having an AKG in my fold...maybe this can will win a place.


Edited by Lorspeaker - 10/11/13 at 6:10pm
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I've spent 12 years at Head-Fi. When people are wowed right off the bat, I know what's coming later on.


How many FOTM have you seen come and go?  :D 


Edited by elvergun - 10/11/13 at 6:18pm
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I've been follwing this thread but I"m confused. What new tech is inside this thing? Because if it's just plain jane mylar diaphram with normal voice coils I have no idea how this could even be compared to the HD800 or LCD-3. Unless this thing is using magnets not found on Earth, gifted to us by the aliens?

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I've been follwing this thread but I"m confused. What new tech is inside this thing? Because if it's just plain jane mylar diaphram with normal voice coils I have no idea how this could even be compared to the HD800 or LCD-3. Unless this thing is using magnets not found on Earth, gifted to us by the aliens?

It's not like dynamics are some kind of outdated technology.  For instance, the LCD-2 was my first $1k level headphone and I found it amazing for awhile, but after putting on my old HD-590 I realized the soundstage quality I was missing, despite the headphone's inferiority in other areas.  Modern planars can do some amazing things, but to me even the HE-6, which I loved, still doesn't get soundstage presentation quite right.  They haven't disclosed the material on the drivers, but the magnets are pretty beastly like the TH900's.  Dynamics are still the most well rounded transducers overall IMO.

 

Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think it's that they have innovated anything new, just taken some good things from other flagships, i.e. 1.5T magnets, HD800 style chambers, Qualia Style pads, etc. and made it their own.  Hopefully, not infringing any patents in the process.  The nerd in me is curious of the driver material though.

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^ hey, while not new, it' using tesla magnet, like the newer beyers.
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I've spent 12 years at Head-Fi. When people are wowed right off the bat, I know what's coming later on.

+1 sounds familiar biggrin.gif
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M-13: There's another thread or video about AKG's research on how people hear which I think has a lot to do with the design of the K812. So even if the tech doesn't look like anything special that doesn't mean the research behind it isn't.  What do you think they would have been doing for 5 years?

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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

I've spent 12 years at Head-Fi. When people are wowed right off the bat, I know what's coming later on.

 

I know what you mean. I don't think that the "wow" is any less valid than it was on the HD800s or LCD-2s or LCD-3s, but it did take more time and a wide variety of music and equipment to nail down the flaws. Many people weren't wowed by those headphones either.  I think it is that we get and notice the strong opinions and impressions more and human nature hoping for 1-stop miracles for everything. 

 

I don't doubt that the K812s are going to be good headphones though.

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