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post #436 of 495
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

 

The HD650/600 and 580 are not under-rated at all. They use to be the only recommended and most talked about headphones on this forum from 2001 to 2008, year or so just before the HD800 came out.

 

Under-rated since then.

post #437 of 495

Well there is the HD600 appreciation thread that is still very active, same with the HD650. As people buy these headphones usually do so with the Crack amp.

post #438 of 495
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

Well there is the HD600 appreciation thread that is still very active, same with the HD650. As people buy these headphones usually do so with the Crack amp.

 

That's as it should be and it's good to see. But I think the (so-called) flagships have overshadowed them, which might make sense for some genres but not mine. So yeah, I think they're under-rated and listed them in my post: http://www.head-fi.org/t/684613/most-underrated-and-overrated-headphone-for-a-bit-of-fun/360#post_10367923.

post #439 of 495

Underrated: Grado PS500/SR60

Overrrated: Audeze´s in general

post #440 of 495
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Overrrated: Audeze´s in general

 

Audeze is not underrated...they are just expensive.

post #441 of 495
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I think it's fair to say that HD600 is in the neutral range. HD650, a little less so but still generally neutral as models go.

 

Here is the midrange problems on the 650 for instance.

 

 

 

Grado Statements and RS have the opposite problem with a slight midrange "hump".  The Grado PSs are flat.

post #442 of 495
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Here is the midrange problems on the 650 for instance.



Grado Statements and RS have the opposite problem with a slight midrange "hump".  The Grado PSs are flat.

Except that most of what you're calling midrange is treble. That's a treble roll off. Look at it on a 15 dB chart.
post #443 of 495

It's midrange and some treble, correct.  Headroom has charts that are incorrect with midrange ending at 2K.  I was always taught that 350hz to 4.5K is midrange.

 

For my own personal preference, if the midrange is not right then nothing else matters as J Gordon Holt used to say.  My ears are very sensitive to a lacking midrange.


Edited by TwoTrack - 3/17/14 at 6:33pm
post #444 of 495
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It's midrange and some treble, correct.  Headroom has charts that are incorrect with midrange ending at 2K.  I was always taught that 350hz to 4.5K is midrange.

 

For my own personal preference, if the midrange is not right then nothing else matters as J Gordon Holt used to say.  My ears are very sensitive to a lacking midrange.

 

Right. That's how people who build and use speakers tend to talk about it (including Stereophile).

 

Headphone users talk about it the way Headroom & Tyll do, probably based on the range of the human voice, which reaches only round 1000-1200 Hz.

 

This is a sort of compromise position: http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm.

 

Since this is headphone forum, it was reasonable of me to assume that you meant our convention.

post #445 of 495

Underrated: HE-400.  People read comments/charts that it has a recessed upper mid and a treble spike, and that plants the suggestion.  Then it gets repeated over and over both by people who have heard them and those who haven't.  If they cost $1000 more and were made in the USA with a nicer build quality, people would (IMO) rave about their sound quality, which is fantastic.

 

Overrated: I'm gonna go with the HD800.  I agree with one of the reviewers who said that amazing headphones shouldn't need a amp for the purpose of changing their sound to something good (the often repeated euphemism here being "amp finicky").


Edited by Kon Peki - 3/20/14 at 3:21pm
post #446 of 495
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Underrated: HE-400.  People read comments/charts that it has a recessed upper mid and a treble spike, and that plants the suggestion.  Then it gets repeated over and over both by people who have heard them and those who haven't.  If they cost $1000 more and were made in the USA with a nicer build quality, people would (IMO) rave about their sound quality, which is fantastic.

 

Overrated: I'm gonna go with the HD800.  I agree with one of the reviewers who said that amazing headphones shouldn't need an amp to change their sound to something good (the often repeated euphemism here being "amp finicky").

I was the one saying a great headphone doesn't need an amp.

Brace yourself, the HD800 fanboys are coming. They will be in huge waves, GET TO THE CHOPPA!

post #447 of 495
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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post
 

I was the one saying a great headphone doesn't need an amp.

Brace yourself, the HD800 fanboys are coming. They will be in huge waves, GET TO THE CHOPPA!

 

I'm not saying great headphones don't need an amp.  Just that great headphones shouldn't need a particular amp designed to change the sound in a way that addresses a problem with the way the headphones sound.  I've never seen so much effort spent on making a pair of headphones sound great.

post #448 of 495
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Originally Posted by Kon Peki View Post
 

 

I'm not saying great headphones don't need an amp.  Just that great headphones shouldn't need a particular amp designed to change the sound in a way that addresses a problem with the way the headphones sound.  I've never seen so much effort spent on making a pair of headphones sound great.

Agreed.  I would like to try the HD800, but all the feeback regarding the need for the "right amp" is making me doubt that it's the can for me...

post #449 of 495
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Agreed.  I would like to try the HD800, but all the feeback regarding the need for the "right amp" is making me doubt that it's the can for me...

 

They sound incredible without the "right amp".

 

It's not like they are going to sound like $50 headphones if you don't pair them with "right amp".

post #450 of 495
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post
 

Agreed.  I would like to try the HD800, but all the feeback regarding the need for the "right amp" is making me doubt that it's the can for me...


It's a headphone that one should hear, whether you like it or not just depends. I didn't like it personally and I spent a lot of time with the headphone on various really good systems, but I do understand why some would love it. I do think the headphone is quite overrated, but it's not bad or mediocre by any means.


Edited by kman1211 - 3/20/14 at 8:59pm
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