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post #181 of 495

Most overrated - AT M50s

Most underrated - LFF's T50RP "Paradox" (which I own now and they are just great!)

post #182 of 495
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HD650 no engaging? What were you amping them with?!

 

I have a Schiit Lyr. I even upgraded their tubes, it improved the sound of the amp but not the HD 650's. I then also upgraded the cables but only a slight improvement. I listened exclusively with them for 3 months (even though I own 4 other HP's) thinking that their sound is an "acquired" taste & needs to grow on me. After 3 months I stopped trying to like them & sold them.

post #183 of 495

The 650's are a great headphone but one that will always have polarizing opinions. I found it was good to compliment them with a brighter more detailed hp. 650's for sitting back enjoying the music without fatigue, and a K701 or dt880 for a more analytical approach. Same with the LCD2's more recently. I was lucky enough to own those and the HE500 at the same time and for the same reasons.

 

The big difference for me with the hd650's and the hd600's is that the latter are more versatile. The more balanced sound of the 600's seems more 'correct' to me. And this plays well with examining the music as well. The none fatiguing factor also means you can sit back and enjoy for hours too. If the music doesn't sound good on the 600's then it must be a very bad recording!     

post #184 of 495
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Most underrated - LFF's T50RP "Paradox" (which I own now and they are just great!)

I wouldn't call the Paradox underrated, but they have managed to be overshadowed by a number of other T50RP mods. Early on, all anybody could talk about was Thunderpants. Now, the Mad Dog and Alpha Dog are in the way.

post #185 of 495
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Originally Posted by remilio View Post
 

Most overrated - AT M50s

Most underrated - LFF's T50RP "Paradox" (which I own now and they are just great!)

I agree with this post, I am actually using the Paradox right now, watching Breaking Bad:D

 

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post
 

HD650 no engaging? What were you amping them with?!

 

I have a Schiit Lyr. I even upgraded their tubes, it improved the sound of the amp but not the HD 650's. I then also upgraded the cables but only a slight improvement. I listened exclusively with them for 3 months (even though I own 4 other HP's) thinking that their sound is an "acquired" taste & needs to grow on me. After 3 months I stopped trying to like them & sold them.

Alright, fair enough.

post #186 of 495

Overrated: difficult one but probably the Grado mid range series

 

Underrated: AKG 240 DF


Edited by Nic Rhodes - 10/13/13 at 1:35am
post #187 of 495

The K240 gets good reviews... really good reviews.

 

The sr80i is good to me.

post #188 of 495

I thought the K 240 DF were overrated... Maybe AKG were just cutting corners when they made my pair.

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@ kman 1211.

 

Thanks for your thoughts. They happen to be the diametrical opposite of mine in virtually every aspect but, hey, it's useful to realize just how differently the same sound can strike us (although given the fact that there 4 different versions of the 880, I do sometimes wonder if we're talking about the same one).

 

There's one point I would take up, I listen to classical, which is very demanding in terms of treble. I found the HD650, and even the HE-500, sometimes harsh on massed strings, but never the 880, at least not once that slight peak at 6.5khz was dampened. Just thought I'd get that in.

Yea, opinions of different headphones vary greatly among people.

 

I did think the DT 880 was good for classical, I personally listen to basically everything, so my goal in a headphone is something that does basically everything well, the DT 880 didn't do it for me, I personally found the DT 990 a more versatile sound for a wide variety of genres. I don't like a lot of headphone that are well liked here mainly because of my preferences in audio and what I look for in audio.

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Just out of interest, did you find there was much difference been the different ohm models? I've had the DT880 250ohm and thought they were a very nice headphone but I'd agree that they play better with a bit if warmth. Though I'd also add that you can get this with solid state as well ime. It's just many ss amps produced now do tend to have a brighter than neutral nature. 

There was a difference, wasn't huge. I did notice more refinement and less grain in the sound on the 600 ohm versions. But since the 250 ohm version I heard were the Pro version there were some differences. The DT 990 Pro had slightly more bass but also less prominent treble and a flatter overall sound than the DT 990 600 ohm, the 600 ohm had a little more refinement and texture to it's sound, it's hard to say which I thought was better, the Pro is a far better value though being only $150. With the DT 880s, I thought the 600 ohm sounded slightly better in basically every way to the Pro version, not really worth the price difference imo, but the 600 ohm was the better of the two.

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Thanks, good to know...am looking for 'neutral' phone and am leaning towards the Q701 (maybe the HD600).  Should provide a little variety compared to the Beyers.

The Q701 is great except for a couple issues, it has a bit of upper midrange glare and it has some center image issues which does show up every once in a while. I liked the HD 600, it really needs a good system behind it to sounds it's best. The Sony MDR-MA900 is another one you should consider, if your looking for a neutral phone.

post #190 of 495
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That's the probably the problem then, I think Beyers tend to sound terrible on SS amps. They sound so much better on tubes, completely changes their sound in a way I haven't seen in other brands. I would suggest trying Beyers on a warm tube amp sometime, your opinions will probably change. The T1 is a great headphone when paired with a nice tube amp.

I thought that it is taken for granted that Beyerdynamics need tube amps or at least hybrid amps. This is a common knowledge on head-fi. Wakey, wakey some of you members. 

post #191 of 495

Unless of course you love bright headphones (like me!).

post #192 of 495

I first ran my 600ohm DT880s through Fiio E7/E9 combo and although I was impressed with the treble and mids, the cans simply sounded too shrill and I had a hard time enjoying them. From there I moved on to a MKIII tube amp and I was thoroughly impressed with how much warmer and full sounding the DT880s were coming through a tube amp. After 1.5 years of owning these headphones exclusively I pulled the trigger on some Jmoney leather Beyer pads and a set of DT990 600ohms for comparison. I was really excited about trying out the more bass heavy brother of the DT880. My first impression of the DT990 was that it was a more fun sounding can but the treble was overly shrill for my liking. I tried the Jmoney pads on my DT880s and WOW. I couldn't believe the difference they made in the sound. The bass was much more deep and the cans finally had the warmer sound I was seeking without the shrill highs of the DT990s. Two days after trying the DT880s with the jmoney pads I sold my DT990s and continued to enjoy my newly awakened 880s. I've since swapped back and forth between the velor and leather pads and It's really fun experiencing the two different sound signatures that the ear pads create.

 

If anyone here with a set of DT880s is seeking a warmer sound with more sub-bass I'd highly recommend you track down a set of the Jmoney pads. They're well worth it.


Edited by MonolithNZ - 10/12/13 at 2:58pm
post #193 of 495
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That's the probably the problem then, I think Beyers tend to sound terrible on SS amps. They sound so much better on tubes, completely changes their sound in a way I haven't seen in other brands. I would suggest trying Beyers on a warm tube amp sometime, your opinions will probably change. The T1 is a great headphone when paired with a nice tube amp.

I thought that it is taken for granted that Beyerdynamics need tube amps or at least hybrid amps. This is a common knowledge on head-fi. Wakey, wakey some of you members.

 

Well, I'm fully awake and I get excellent results from my 880 using a Marantz 4023 stereo receiver (a current model, not a veteran). I tried several integrateds including NAD 326BEE and Cambridge 340A and all sounded too harsh and bright. but the Marantz is excellent (same goes for the Marantz SR4200 I still keep around). The Marantz sound (warm and full, with a very controlled treble) suits the 880 to a T.

 

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I first ran my 600ohm DT880s through Fiio E7/E9 combo and although I was impressed with the treble and mids, the cans simply sounded too shrill and I had a hard time enjoying them. From there I moved on to a MKIII tube amp and I was thoroughly impressed with how much warmer and full sounding the DT880s were coming through a tube amp. After 1.5 years of owning these headphones exclusively I pulled the trigger on some Jmoney leather Beyer pads and a set of DT990 600ohms for comparison. I was really excited about trying out the more bass heavy brother of the DT880. My first impression of the DT990 was that it was a more fun sounding can but the treble was overly shrill for my liking. I tried the Jmoney pads on my DT880s and WOW. I couldn't believe the difference they made in the sound. The bass was much more deep and the cans finally had the warmer sound I was seeking without the shrill highs of the DT990s. Two days after trying the DT880s with the jmoney pads I sold my DT990s and continued to enjoy my newly awakened 880s. I've since swapped back and forth between the velor and leather pads and It's really fun experiencing the two different sound signatures that the ear pads create.

 

If anyone here with a set of DT880s is seeking a warmer sound with more sub-bass I'd highly recommend you track down a set of the Jmoney pads. They're well worth it.

 

 Interesting stuff. How much did you pay for the pads (and where the hell do you find them)? It's a shame they're so well named.

post #194 of 495
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post
 

Unless of course you love bright headphones (like me!).

You would not lose 'brightness' but the tonality and 'body' of music improves. 

post #195 of 495
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 Interesting stuff. How much did you pay for the pads (and where the hell do you find them)? It's a shame they're so well named.

I like the Jmoney pads so much that I actually bought two sets. I live in New Zealand and it was very difficult for me to locate some. Jmoney ceased to exist as a company some time ago and the ear pads are no longer in production. My first pair were purchased from a fellow New Zealander for $100USD which is a crazy price but I was prepared to pay it considering i'd been on the lookout for a set for some time. My second pair were purchased through the head-fi buy sell forum @ $46 USD excluding shipping. A much more fair price and these ones were unused too. If you too would like a set then keep your eyes on the BST forum. I guess I would consider parting with one of my sets for the right price.

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