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Over-rated: Sennheiser Momentum, ATH-M50

Under-rated: I'll reserve my judgment.

post #152 of 495
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Originally Posted by Androb View Post


I was at a store and sat down and listened to dt 770 - t70, didnt like any of them, way too joyless. I even listened with several amps, (including their expensive beyerdynamic one wich I didnt like either haha, dunno if there is a gain switch or so since I had to turn the knob to max). So yea, I think im not an beyer person.

"Way too joyless" usually translates as not enough bass. T70 are very genre specific headphones, they are for the types of music that are not bass heavy.  http://www.head-fi.org/t/627197/beyer-dynamic-t70-barely-a-beyer-review You should have tried DT880

If you had to turn the knob all the way to maximum means either the headphones were not properly connected to the amplifier or the amplifier had a defective function or you are practically deaf.

An important factor is what quality signal was fed into the amp and the headphones you were trying. Read this mini review - http://www.head-fi.org/t/568297/beyerdynamic-dt990-250-pro-review - Quote  "...128 Kbps MP3s sound veiled and lifeless...320 Kbps is very satisfying, and some FLAC gives a noticeable extra sense of clarity."

This one is a good Beyer thread on the differences between Beyerdynamic models - http://www.head-fi.org/t/513393/guide-sonic-differences-between-dt770-dt990-models-more


Edited by zorin - 10/11/13 at 12:38pm
post #153 of 495
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Originally Posted by john53 View Post
 

So many say Sony ma900 is underated.

 

Can someone please explain in few sentences why that? Can someone describe in a few words their sound signature?

 

 

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Originally Posted by GearMe View Post
 

 

Don't want to spoil your review...but do you like the DT880 or the MA900 more?

 

 

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I'm intrigued by the MA900, tis verrr cheap... And I do appreciate good soundstage and imaging. 

 

Any more impressions or should I find the appropriate thread ;) S'pose we're still on topic as it does sound very underrated :D

 

How are they in regards to resolution and tone? Compared to say.. hd600, dt880? 

 

I'm not going to go in full detail here, I'll save that for the review. 

 

Overall the MA900's have a laid-back, warm sound signature (HD650 comes to mind) with VERY smooth treble compared to the DT880's. The midrange is simply awesome, and the soundstage is phenomenal for gaming. 

 

Some complaints: The cable is pretty thin, gives an impression of a cheap headphone. Typical Sony build quality (which is a joke compared to the Beyers). Sub-bass roll off, maybe this will improve with more burn in? 

 

Other than that, they're excellent for the $170 i payed for them. 

 

Wait for the review guys, i have a ton of things to say about this headphone :D

post #154 of 495
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Originally Posted by zorin View Post
 

"Way too joyless" usually translates as not enough bass. T70 are very genre specific headphones, they are for the types of music that are not bass heavy.  http://www.head-fi.org/t/627197/beyer-dynamic-t70-barely-a-beyer-review You should have tried DT880

If you had to turn the knob all the way to maximum means either the headphones were not properly connected to the amplifier or the amplifier had a defective function or you are practically deaf.

An important factor is what quality signal was fed into the amp and the headphones you were trying. Read this mini review - http://www.head-fi.org/t/568297/beyerdynamic-dt990-250-pro-review - Quote  "...128 Kbps MP3s sound veiled and lifeless...320 Kbps is very satisfying, and some FLAC gives a noticeable extra sense of clarity."

This one is a good Beyer thread on the differences between Beyerdynamic models - http://www.head-fi.org/t/513393/guide-sonic-differences-between-dt770-dt990-models-more

Nah man, I tried 770/880/990/t70 or w/e they are called. And no, joyless is like, I didn't caught into the music, wich happened with the beyerdynamics. I sat down with the same gear, and listened to the 600, wich really caught me. Amazing sound imo. I also run flac files in my mobile phone wich I was using then into several amp's. I got my little dot mk3 at home and cant even have half volume with my hd650/q701. 

 

Also people say beyer's have more bass than the q701 so it can't be that it is missing bass since I love that bass and also hd650. I'm not a bass head, i'm more into treble / mids / vocals wich seemed better on senn/akg. I don't know, I actually think it sounded way too flat for me. Also I tried amp's between $100-$1000+. Altho I think you have to fiddle with the gain on the beyer amp. My dad thought the same about that amp, and also read in several magasine where it get real bad reviews. I won't ever own a beyerdynamic product that's for sure.

 

I probably do not have beyer ears :)

post #155 of 495
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Originally Posted by Androb View Post
 

Nah man, I tried 770/880/990/t70 or w/e they are called. And no, joyless is like, I didn't caught into the music, wich happened with the beyerdynamics. I sat down with the same gear, and listened to the 600, wich really caught me. Amazing sound imo. I also run flac files in my mobile phone wich I was using then into several amp's. I got my little dot mk3 at home and cant even have half volume with my hd650/q701. 

 

Also people say beyer's have more bass than the q701 so it can't be that it is missing bass since I love that bass and also hd650. I'm not a bass head, i'm more into treble / mids / vocals wich seemed better on senn/akg. I don't know, I actually think it sounded way too flat for me. Also I tried amp's between $100-$1000+. Altho I think you have to fiddle with the gain on the beyer amp. My dad thought the same about that amp, and also read in several magasine where it get real bad reviews. I won't ever own a beyerdynamic product that's for sure.

 

I probably do not have beyer ears :)

your ears are not normal and you have to get checked. 

 

Lol, i kid, i kid. I respect you opinion even though i dont agree with you. But may i ask, how do you find them 'joyless'? I consider my DT880's to be very transparent and engaging. You just put them on and lose yourself in the music ;) But thats just me though. 

post #156 of 495
Thanks! Looking forward to your review
post #157 of 495
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post
 

overlooked, unnoticed, unheralded (but not underrated):

Beyer DT 250 - 250 ohm

closed headphones of the highest calibre -> neutrality, imaging, timbre & musicality

(the KRK slogan applies here: "For educated ears")

Not surprising that the Deutsche Grammophon sound engineers are using them for monitoring...

I didn't know about DG using them; do you know that for sure?

 

I have actually never, ever considered purchasing a DT 250, and that means a lot coming from me since I've considered purchasing almost everything on the spectrum. What would you compare them to? GMP450? V6?

post #158 of 495
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

your ears are not normal and you have to get checked. 

Lol, i kid, i kid. I respect you opinion even though i dont agree with you. But may i ask, how do you find them 'joyless'? I consider my DT880's to be very transparent and engaging. You just put them on and lose yourself in the music wink.gif But thats just me though. 
I knew I would get this reactions since I seen people really love them :P I also tried liking them, tested some several times. But imo they are some of the more "boring" phones and hd650/q701 beat the crap out of them. Both me and my dad wondered why people love them so much ^^

I lose myself in the music with the senn and akg. Sitting infront of the fire with a cold beer, listening to pink floyd or laleh is just love.

But this is just me, and I got perfect hearing btw ;Ddd
post #159 of 495

...and then there's personal tastes at work too....

post #160 of 495
Originally Posted by Androb View Post
I lose myself in the music...Sitting in front of the fire with a cold beer, listening to pink floyd...

 

Not really saying much...I could do this with PortaPros!  ;-)

 

"Hello, Hello, Hello, is there anybody in there...?"


Edited by GearMe - 10/11/13 at 6:46pm
post #161 of 495
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Originally Posted by ssrock64 View Post

I didn't know about DG using them; do you know that for sure?

Well, I'm not fabulating or lying.
I saw a 2011 documentary on a Deutsche Grammophon recording in Vienna with french top pianist P.-L. Aimard.
And the two Deutsche Grammophon sound engineers were using the Beyer DT 250 during the recording sessions.
Btw, the movie is called "Pianomania" and is very interesting.
It's about the quest for the perfect sound and the neurotic behavior of perfectionnists.
NYTimes review here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/movies/pianomania-by-lilian-franck-and-robert-cibis-review.html?_r=0
Edited by Hairspray - 10/11/13 at 6:40pm
post #162 of 495
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Originally Posted by Androb View Post


I knew I would get this reactions since I seen people really love them :P I also tried liking them, tested some several times. But imo they are some of the more "boring" phones and hd650/q701 beat the crap out of them. Both me and my dad wondered why people love them so much ^^

I lose myself in the music with the senn and akg. Sitting infront of the fire with a cold beer, listening to pink floyd or laleh is just love.

But this is just me, and I got perfect hearing btw ;Ddd


Honestly I don't like Beyers(at least the ones I have heard) unless they are hooked up to a warm tube amp, their midrange seems like it's there but it's not, it's hard to describe. I didn't like the DT 880 no matter what it was hooked up to. The DT 990 Pro on a warm tube amp was a very engaging and musical headphone, but on most SS amps, I couldn't stand it as it was dull and lifeless and the midrange seemed sucked out.


Edited by kman1211 - 10/11/13 at 8:16pm
post #163 of 495
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post


Honestly I don't like Beyers(at least the ones I have heard) unless they are hooked up to a warm tube amp, their midrange seems like it's there but it's not, it's hard to describe. I didn't like the DT 880 no matter what it was hooked up to. The DT 990 Pro on a warm tube amp was a very engaging and musical headphone, but on most SS amps, I couldn't stand it as it was dull and lifeless and the midrange seemed sucked out.

 

Not questioning your choices, but what exactly didn't you like about the 880? I consider it one of the most balanced and neutral phones I've ever heard (including a couple of the flagships). Of course, you need to equalise that slight treble peak or use a very warm amp, but with that proviso I find it hard to beat (and even harder when comfort is taken into account).

post #164 of 495
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

muahahahahahh I'm writing about a headphone that I've not heard!! Somebody STOP ME!!

 

 

 

 

stop!

post #165 of 495
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
 

 

Not questioning your choices, but what exactly didn't you like about the 880? I consider it one of the most balanced and neutral phones I've ever heard (including a couple of the flagships). Of course, you need to equalise that slight treble peak or use a very warm amp, but with that proviso I find it hard to beat (and even harder when comfort is taken into account).


I never found it engaging and it was boring, it wasn't really warm enough for me to consider it neutral to begin with. It just never struck me as natural or neutral sounding or enjoyable to listen to. The thing about the DT 880, it's literally just a held back and less comfortable version of the DT 990 and it definitely sounds like it to me, it has more grain to it's sound, sounds more boxed in, had less detail, etc. The midrange didn't sound as good either. The Dt 990 while brighter has noticeably less grain in it's treble, so the DT 880 sounded harsh when compared to the DT 990 and while I can handle brightness, I absolutely cannot handle treble or upper midrange grain. It just wasn't a pleasant listening experience to me, I liked the DT 990 a lot more as I thought it was the better headphone despite being a bit too bass heavy and top heavy and also because it can be very fun and musical on the right system. I personally like a bit musicality and warmth to my music, I can tolerate some lack of warmth if it can portray some musicality. To put it simply the DT 880s sound simply lacked soul to me. It wasn't a bad headphone, I think it's a good one, but it's simply not for me, it's not what I'm looking for in audio.


Edited by kman1211 - 10/11/13 at 10:59pm
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