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Jolla is a new finnish phone company, coming up with their first phone, witch will be released within this year. The specs are out for the phone, and pre-ordes have been up for quite a while. Info for the phone can be faund here: http://jolla.com/your-jolla/

 

Phone runs on Sailfish OS, that comes form the ashes of Meego. I have been testing the Sailfish OS on the Sailfish SDK emulator, and it's going to be great, imo. I'm tired of android.

 

I have tried to milk DAC/AMP specs from @JollaHQ with no luck, but let's not let the lack of this loose interest. What makes this interesting for HIFI community is The Other Half (back cover of the phone) with its power in/out and I2C data connectivity. http://i2c.info/i2c-bus-specification

 

I'm expecting at least a qwerty keyboard half, and an extra battery half to come out rather soon after release, if not, with the release of the Jolla. Here's a mad list of what people have tought what you could use the halfs for: http://jollatides.com/2013/10/03/other-half-lets-prioritise/

 

I would like to get people interested in having a DAC/AMP Other Half for the phone, and possibly get some audio companies interested enough to make one. Making Other Halfs will be open, and Jolla will also release 3D printer model of the Other Half.

 

I know the phone is mostly sold just in Finland for now, but Jolla has been talking with over 80 service providers around Europe to get the phone out to the world trough them. And yeah, it would be quite a slim market. But if someone would offer the phone bundled with a DAC/AMP half (with tactile playback buttons) to the hifi community, there could be interest. This could be a great chance for some companies to make an DAP, the hardware, and OS would be there, since that seems to be where they are having problems, most of then high end DAPs seem to have half baked os with lacking a lot of features. All they would have to do here is build a DAC/AMP part for the phone, to make it an awesome dap. 

 

I'm just throwing this here to let people know about Jolla and that it could be an great dap.

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Cant catch up with android once kitt katt 4.4 and 5.0 lime is out.
Cynamodgen is what we need on mobiles like Rockbox on DAPs
My words..
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

Cant catch up with android once kitt katt 4.4 and 5.0 lime is out.
Cynamodgen is what we need on mobiles like Rockbox on DAPs
My words..

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for bringing this up - I've had a good read and this looks like my next phone.  Personally I'm not a fan of all in one devices (if I forget to charge my DAP I still have a phone) but an I2C line out does seem to make this look like a great option for those that do.

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Cant catch up with android once kitt katt 4.4 and 5.0 lime is out.

Cynamodgen is what we need on mobiles like Rockbox on DAPs

My words..

 

 



This is not about the OS war, it's about the ease of doing an hifi grade DAC/AMP for the Jolla phone, and getting someone on that.
As for what comes to android, these are my toughs about it.

[Off topic / My opinions and experience with android]

I have been on android for almost 3years, and it has been great, iv been little bit on Froyo, but GB came out quite fast, I have used HTC Sense GB for over half a year until I finally rooted. After i going around roms i settled on MIUI it was, and is the most refined and polished UI on android. Then went to MIUI ICS, it was still pretty good, and after that i have been on stock ICS a little bit and then on stock JB for quite a while too. But it turns out, overall that was the worst of these I have run. Takes ridiculous hardware to run smooth, and doesn't offer any worth to upgrade features over Gingerbread, so for now i have went back to a GB rom. I hear even 1GB of ram isn't enough for these new phones, and i'm here running GB on 512MB of ram, and it's not too bad.

I'm not happy where google is taking android, pushing more ads in there, having no theming options build in, like the default phone app, cant do anything to its looks, there should be some king of theme engine build in stock android, that themes all the core apps along with the other parts of the OS. It's just a big hassle to theme android. And the fact that to get the latest android running smooth one needs to buy 500+€ device and you still need to root it. Also manufacturers are moving towards non removable batteries, and dropping mSD slots out of the spec sheets. Android is just a poorly designed OS, with decent ecosystem around it. I haven't own iPhone, but what i'v seen about iOS, it seems like an great OS, it's just that the apple ecosystem isn't for me.

And just for your information Sailfish OS runs android apps as they are, no need to port them, along with native sailfish apps. And Meego Harmattan apps too wink.gif, so there wont be any shortage on apps for Jolla. If you have something to say about all this, please PM, lets keep the off topic out.

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Thanks for bringing this up - I've had a good read and this looks like my next phone.  Personally I'm not a fan of all in one devices (if I forget to charge my DAP I still have a phone) but an I2C line out does seem to make this look like a great option for those that do.

 



I'm glad i could help you find about Jolla, if you want the latest news on it, you should follow @JollaHQ on twitter. And if you haven't seen yet, here are some videos about Jolla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y64ja7WBHU8&list=UUgK45xp5j9vJMJ3odffESjA
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^ It's an end of a dynasty!!!

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_ending_support_for_meego_and_symbian_january_1-news-6923.php

 

 The new jolla hardware is kinda lackluster spec and design wise for me sadly. But that 2nd half attachment thing looks really promising/ interesting. Hope i can port sailfish into my N9 and have it run natively!!! HYPED!!!

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I've said all that I could have about Sailfish and the SDK and Qt 5 on other threads. Not this thread, mind you, but it feels strange to bring it up.

So I'll just leave it to this - Sailfish is a really cool thing. This thing just makes me want to buy the hardware just to play with the OS. And I have absolutely no use for a phone - not even for the phone that I do have right now.

I've not thought about the audio part at all. Hmm.

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I've said all that I could have about Sailfish and the SDK and Qt 5 on other threads. Not this thread, mind you, but it feels strange to bring it up.

So I'll just leave it to this - Sailfish is a really cool thing. This thing just makes me want to buy the hardware just to play with the OS. And I have absolutely no use for a phone - not even for the phone that I do have right now.

I've not thought about the audio part at all. Hmm.

^ Meh the only thing sailfish has going for it is its unique OS functions/ features. Its appearance is a regression from Meego if you ask me cuz those icons, etc looks pretty damn tacky and cheap to be quite honest. Maybe i am just superficial but the skin is not polished/ professional looking enough. : /

 

Why can't they just create an app on Meego that taps into the apps of android, which will truly make it the best of both worlds, sigh.

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Here try it out - https://sailfishos.org/develop.html

 

I think you're still underestimating the OS. From a structure perspective - https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture. A lot of nifty sane stuff they're doing. Connman - yes please, they've had it out as a moving target but it's great to have something that'll actually take the usage as it was intended to be. Some of this stuff would bring tears of joy to an *nix person. The underlyings are very solid. Sane everything. It definitely has an idea on where to go.

 

This is just a really clean concept. For the attention-deficit-more-bling joe moe they likely won't care. I'm not sure what their target is but it definitely does not seem to be joe moe. And really, that's a great thing. For people who would use the niche to its fullest it's definitely promising. 

 

So, again, you really have to be a Linux guy to appreciate all of it. Not to say that others wouldn't enjoy it, but it just seems like that's how the situation is going to paly out.

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I see the Jolla phone is now available on ebay and I'm still interested but was wondering if anyone has one?  Seems no crazy Japanese people have destroyed one yet and I'm wondering how tough they are.

post #11 of 15

Perhaps when my current contract expires next year. Of course I'm using that as an pretense as I never use a phone for 'phone-y' purposes anyways, the real reason is that I'd want to give it time for things to mature.

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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post
 

Perhaps when my current contract expires next year. Of course I'm using that as an pretense as I never use a phone for 'phone-y' purposes anyways, the real reason is that I'd want to give it time for things to mature.


The hardware/ software needs A LOT mo' polish to be asking for the price they are asking now. The N9 look wise blows sailfish outta' the water on all accounts.  i dunno meng, those sailfish icons looks like some cheapo firefox OS or some other cheap Chinese android skin. LoL

 

There is A LOT of potential esp. with the "Other Half" thing as well as the tapping into the android app ecosystem but sailfish is very much in beta form still and it shows in the lack of polish/ refinement even in just the look/ feel of the OS.

 

Hope i can port it into my N9 though. :ksc75smile: 

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Well i'v had Jolla for about couple weeks now, and Sailfish OS is just great, there are some bugs here and there, but nothing too bad. For now the worst bug is probably that the NFC stays on, and consumes your battery in a day even if you don't do anything, patch is coming in couple weeks for that, but you can hotfix it yourself by killing and blocking the process from terminal.

 

Some of the core apps still need some work, few bugs in email, calendar app just got google callsync in the latest update, but that's only one way, google -> phone. There is a native whatsapp, but its not yet in the store, but downloadable from openrepos.net, it's getting updates few times a week, and already really functional. No need for android what's app anymore. But we are on head-fi so lets get to it...

 

Media player can find the files from msdcard, but seems to forget em for me every now and then. Other than that it works good, you can browse your music by artist, album, all songs. As i listen mostly album by album, it works just great for that. There is no search, at least not yet. Haven't tested any android media players because android apps can't access memorycard, for now at least.

 

Haven't been paying attention much to music quality, it's okey for me, except there's the background hiss with se535, not as bad as my old phone, or studio-v 3rd, but the hiss is there, so i'm pairing the phone with Arrow 4G.

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Ooh we have an owner!

 

Can you please comment on the build quality of the phone itself Whippler?  How scared would you be if you dropped it, do you expect it to bounce or break?  I'm hoping they've kept Nokia's high standards in this regard and if so I'll surely get one at some point.

 

Also regarding the lack of access to the memory card in Android apps, I was intrigued as to how this could be and I'm right - there is no reason for it.  See here (that post and the next) for a workaround :)

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