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post #46 of 509
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Now what makes you say that?

Two main reasons: 1) I think that T50RPs drivers sound best in closed-back designs, at least DIY open-back attempts confirm that :) 2) Oppo PM-1 ;)

post #47 of 509
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Then what do you think of LFF and how his Paradox has been $500 forever. And that's just the basic version.

I swear it seems some praise Luis all the while slamming Dan. At least seemingly the AD stepped it up in SQ a bit.

Just as bad. At least Smeggy added some real craft to his Thunderpants. Dan gets more flak right now because of how hyped his models are - more popular and hyped than any of the variants I remember.

Don't get me wrong, Dan did well with the Mad Dogs, and I have no doubt that the ADs will sound good. It just seems like an excessive price and very few people are even batting an eye. It takes something affordable to nearly everyone and prices it out of reach for quite a few. It also disincents Fostex to bring anything inexpensive or even reasonable to market .
post #48 of 509
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Just as bad. At least Smeggy added some real craft to his Thunderpants. Dan gets more flak right now because of how hyped his models are - more popular and hyped than any of the variants I remember.

Don't get me wrong, Dan did well with the Mad Dogs, and I have no doubt that the ADs will sound good. It just seems like an excessive price and very few people are even batting an eye. It takes something affordable to nearly everyone and prices it out of reach for quite a few. It also disincents Fostex to bring anything inexpensive or even reasonable to market .

Fair viewpoint.

post #49 of 509

The reason for the AD steep price is because they are hand made (leaving aside sound quality) however, I rather get the Alpha dogs than the Fostex instead if the price were the same.  


Edited by squallkiercosa - 10/26/13 at 2:29pm
post #50 of 509

You raise some good points Fraggler.  You should make your own T50RP mods and lowball those money-hungry a-holes so you can steal their business and become even more popular than them.

post #51 of 509

You are forgetting the cost of the R&D.

How much time was spent designing an testing the new cup. Is it $20 to print each cup?

What sort of deal is he getting on the basic headphones?

There are probably all sorts of other costs, taxes etc and presumably its Dan's full time employment so needs a wage to eat?

 

All these add to the final price one its a full time business venture and not some guy modding one or two units in his spare time!

  

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I am stunned that people will pay that price considering he didn't even change the frame.  Literally $20 of mod materials plus a new plastic cup.  Well, plus the leather pads that cost him maybe another $20.  I know the tuning is the special sauce, but still.  As a consumer who dabbles in DIY, I think he is a jerk for charging that much.  But as someone with an MBA, I have to applaud him.  I just hope he didn't skew the market so much that Fostex charges TH600 money for the new headphones.  They are using a much nicer frame in addition to new cups and tuning.  

post #52 of 509
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You are forgetting the cost of the R&D

All these add to the final price one its a full time business venture and not some guy modding one or two units in his spare time!

 

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You raise some good points Fraggler.  You should make your own T50RP mods and lowball those money-hungry a-holes so you can steal their business and become even more popular than them.

 

Many people have given away their labored-over mods for free - not just for the T50RP but for orthos in general. I personally went beyond casual modding by developing custom software to help me pinpoint areas in the sound to focus on and to keep track of my progress. In that vein, I've spent months and months on single units, measuring, listening, and modding, and then I've given away the results for free on this forum.

 

Of course, it's a slightly different story when you're not just giving away the instructions on how to replicate your findings but the actual finished product. I'd probably add a huge markup to my mod product if I were doing that by myself - quite a few people on here have been crushed under the weight of the community trying to fill orders.

post #53 of 509

I test drove this cans at the show and I was actually pleasantly surprised. They are light and very comfortable. The sound is nice a balanced. I did not hear much emphasis in any area of the frequencies. They do not have the price yet but they are targeting in the $500-$600 range and availability they said would be sometime 2 qrt of next year.

If they hit that price point I will order one with no doubt.

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post #55 of 509
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I haven't forgotten any of those.  Cost-based pricing like that is generally viewed as a poor way to do things, so I assumed that Dan wasn't doing that.  Plus I am pretty sure that profits from the Mad Dogs could easily cover what R&D, new equipment, etc. he might have had.  Ironically, your points would favor him more as a lone hobbyist trying to make a couple dollars selling a few headphones than the commercial enterprise that he has grown to be.
 
Like I said before, I'm not really hating on Dan.  He is a one time fellow DIYer who has had incredible timing and execution, and the Headfi hype train has amply rewarded him.  I marvel at this success and applaud him for taking the initiative.  I also recognize that he can't charge more than the market will allow, and so far, the market is fine with it.  It's mainly that as a consumer, and especially a DIYer who has worked with T50RPs before, I can't stomach the prices and hype. A lot of people are OK so as long as they feel the price and performance match up - they don't care about the backstory.  I have seen too much behind the curtain to feel the same way.  That is all.  (And I am irritated with his connector choice, but that is a different rant).
 
@TMRaven, I am not sure if you were just joking, but as awesome as everything I make is :P, no way I want to do that much work.  Would take the fun out of the hobby.
post #56 of 509
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I test drove this cans at the show and I was actually pleasantly surprised. They are light and very comfortable. The sound is nice a balanced. I did not hear much emphasis in any area of the frequencies. They do not have the price yet but they are targeting in the $500-$600 range and availability they said would be sometime 2 qrt of next year.

If they hit that price point I will order one with no doubt.

 

Great to hear, though I'd love it if they released a closed one with isolation, as well. 

 

In the end, and this will end my ranting, this is mostly Fostex's fault for how badly they misused and mispriced the driver.  The market is used to this driver being cheap, so any attempt to charge more for it, whether 3rd party or from Fostex (even with an improvement in sound) is being met with resentment.

post #57 of 509
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In the end, and this will end my ranting, this is mostly Fostex's fault for how badly they misused and mispriced the driver.

 

That's a curious viewpoint from a consumer.

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That's a curious viewpoint from a consumer.

 

Why?  

post #59 of 509

From a consumer's point of view, how did they misprice the driver?

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From a consumer's point of view, how did they misprice the driver?

 

It's never a great thing to price really low and then raise prices.  Consumers don't like that.  Pricing higher in the beginning keeps expectations and demand in check.  Sure it's great for the consumer while the getting is good, but if the shifting market trends upwards, there is zero incentive for Fostex to keep any future iterations at a low price point, or even keep the T50RP around as is.  But that is only looking at the audiophile customer.  I don't know what volumes they are doing in the studio market.  

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