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post #916 of 6446
No impressions were fine , it was my lack of putting them in my ears correctly. I know it seems easy but it is not you have to pull your ears one way and then another for them to seat flat in your ears. Read jokers hot to hear. There people make hearing aides and sometime dental labs too like fitear does. So they work with small molds for a living.

I have about ten customs , I even took my fitear 334 ,s and made them custom with UM labs. It's the way to go.

Al D
post #917 of 6446

Another reason I now prefer CIEMs to IEMs/universals is because I really dislike tips (of any kind), since they fundamentally require pressure upon the ear canal in order to form a seal. I don't like that continual expansive pressure upon the walls of my ear canals, and I also feel that it's not good for them, either. In contrast, a CIEM exerts light pressure upon the ear canal, and that pressure is a restrained pressure, since the CIEM shell is of a finite size, and cannot try to 'expand' any larger than that.

 

It's difficult to explain exactly what I mean but I hope what I've described makes sense!

post #918 of 6446
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

Another reason I now prefer CIEMs to IEMs/universals is because I really dislike tips (of any kind), since they fundamentally require pressure upon the ear canal in order to form a seal. I don't like that continual expansive pressure upon the walls of my ear canals, and I also feel that it's not good for them, either. In contrast, a CIEM exerts light pressure upon the ear canal, and that pressure is a restrained pressure, since the CIEM shell is of a finite size, and cannot try to 'expand' any larger than that.

 

It's difficult to explain exactly what I mean but I hope what I've described makes sense!


It made sense to me mate, don't worry, as always you are very informative and helpful. I agree with you on this subject, I seriously don't think I will ever go back to painful and uncomfortable universal iem world.

post #919 of 6446
Mython.

I now know what people mean when they say to me HA,,,,

just kidding yes to fit correct they need to go deep and this makes you feel like you need to cough and it stinks.

And yes the triple boars put you in a vacuum too . You need to play with them and release the pulling so you heAr better. The majority of people with universals do not care how it fits as long as it is loud and punchy. We here are looking for something more detailed in this so we care they do not.
post #920 of 6446
I've struggled to get a good seal as well with universals as well. The Shure Olive tips have worked the best, but it takes a lot if adjustments and slowly pushes out over time.

So, is the average refit 3 years even if you're older? If so, how much would the Roxanne's cost to refit?

Also, what if after several refits, you can't get a good seal, is there a refund option or are you just out the $1,500.

As you can tell, I'm getting an itchy order finger again.
post #921 of 6446
I have ciem,s that are a little over three years now. No problem. I cannot say it goes by time frAm , but it is what people do say. I just lost about 40 pounds and no refits either. And you can use clear nailoilish formaltihide free. It's also called organic. You just paint it on in layers.

This is not a big deal.

Al D
post #922 of 6446

It depends on person. Some people might need refit around 3 4 years, some can use it for maube 10 years. It depends on how your ear and ear canal shape changes. Nothing to worry if you ask me, it is not gonna rob your wallet.

post #923 of 6446
But will JH audio offer refits if they dont fit anymore after 3-4 years? Or do I have to go to UM...?
post #924 of 6446
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

The answer for universal to customs is easy .

Customs when inserted correctly make a better seal in both isolation and SQ. Any issues I had were me and not the company. I will admit that and there is ALSTABILE by joker I think that really explains how to.

Universals are fast to put on and off. But you pay a price for the convince. It is difficult to make fit and sound correctly and further more as tips effect the sound how the hell will you know what is right.

Also they move as you walk or even just sit . So the SQ changes.

So take your pick.

Al D

 

I beg to differ.

 

No doubt, for those who experience ongoing fit and comfort issues with universals, customs are the only way to go.

 

But for those who don't, the topic is a lot more complex than you think. I really wished people would act more responsible with their recommendations, especially when they're talking about a $1000+ purchase.

 

Just to touch on the isolation aspect, here's a recent conversation from joker's thread:

 

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Interested in the isolation performance of acrylic customs vs universals too. Used to own etys and about to own my first customs L3000.gif
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post
 

The isolation is pretty comparable to Westone iems. I think it's slightly better but not at the level of an Etymotic.

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

What rawrster said - acrylic customs don't really isolate at the Etymotic level. There's a little bit more variation to it than just shell material, though - first off, some customs fit tighter than others, whether due to the process used to manufacture them or the initial impressions. Second, they vary a lot in canal length. Some are specifically built with a "musician's fit" - i.e. with the canal portion extended to the second bend of the ear canal. A few manufacturers give you the option to have a comfort fit or musician's fit. etc. The units that extend to the second bend, such as my Hidition NT 6 and Clear Tune Monitors WLS-5, definitely isolate better.

 

And there's a lot more to consider if you want to evaluate customs vs. universals in a factual and responsible way.

 

Like I said earlier in this thread, can't speak for JH customs, but I have both a universal and custom version of the Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor (UERM) and have been using both extensively. With a proper fit, the universal version is in no way inferior to the custom version, neither in isolation, nor in sound quality.

 

Jm2c. Don't really want to derail this thread with a customs vs. universals discussion, but anyone who doesn't have fit / comfort problems with universals and wants to discuss this further, feel free to PM me.

post #925 of 6446
I just went over the 'output impendance' topic to see what the effect will be of a high or low output impendance when using my phone.

So, as I am new to this concept, cam someone advice an amp when using the Roxanne's with an IPhone 5s? And if so, what range does this amp affect? I have read that some amps, depending on the output impendance, focus more or less on highs or lows..? I am looking forward to buy something that doesn't only enhances the volume or even mess up the sound of the IEM's..
Edited by JonathanCandel - 12/1/13 at 2:47pm
post #926 of 6446
I. Beg to differ with you. Where is it said its bad or difficult. We a are different
And the musician fit is not done by jh either.
As for fit issues that is a case by case issue
And when they rec his impressions if there is a fit issue
It will be discussed then. I had a fit issues with spire ear
And could not get the CIEM. So why spook someone who is going through the hassle
Of universal. Calm your tone. No one hear is a be all end all guru. Unless your are a vender
post #927 of 6446
Is the amp for your phone if so what phone. And do you want it for home too

Al D
post #928 of 6446
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Is the amp for your phone if so what phone. And do you want it for home too

Al D
iPhone 5s for on the go and at home smily_headphones1.gif
post #929 of 6446
Cypher Labs Theorem 720 DAC USB/iDevice/Android DAC & Amp

My pic I have the DAC. And the alo amp combo. This is a one package deal
There is. Thread on here about this unit read. Please
Read reviews and be happy. My disclaimer is it's your decision in the end.

Al D
post #930 of 6446
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Cypher Labs Theorem 720 DAC USB/iDevice/Android DAC & Amp

My pic I have the DAC. And the alo amp combo. This is a one package deal
There is. Thread on here about this unit read. Please
Read reviews and be happy. My disclaimer is it's your decision in the end.

Al D
Thanks, I will check it out:)
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