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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post
 

I'm personally sensitive to around the 8k area, perhaps somewhere north of 10k as well.

 

Long story short - I can listen to the Roxies at high volume for like 8 hour stretches.  I never feel fatigue.  It doesn't matter what I'm listening to.  It's weird.  The only thing I can think of that had this quality for me probably were a set of ATH-L3000s I used on a daily basis for a year and a half.  

Me too. My ears are really treble sensitive too. I don't mind treble as long it's distributed evenly long the spectrum. I only find it hard to bear when there is huge peaks here and there which is what normally takes aways the smoothness IMO. 

 

Sounds like your source pairs with roxanne really well (or your bass gain is higher than mine). :) I haven't listen to any warm source/amps for a long time maybe that's one of the reason I found roxanne can lose its "emotions" after long periods of listening. And also 95% of the songs I play contained vocals (well, badly, accurately, falsely mixed), which is probably why I have really high standard for vocal performances.

 

Strangely, I really enjoy piano performance on roxanne. I think the tuning is very suitable for it.

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Just a random question, is JHA product tuned primarily for Rock music ? I think I heard someone mentioned this before.

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^ Currawong mentioned it several post back

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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Just had an hunch, but the 12 drivers. It's purely marketing right?  There isn't a good practical reason why you will have 4 drivers per each freq range right?  I mean you have BA of various sizes.  My NT6 has 6 drivers, and uses several types(sizes) for different frequencies.  If he's fitting 12 in that small space, my guess is he went with the tiny BAs so he can get the high number.    

 

It's still 3-way.

The reason is headroom. Jerry's customers are often old rockers who have lost a lot of hearing. They listen LOUD.

This is just regarding loudness.  He's saying they added 4 drivers per each range is for headroom, posibly low distortion at obscenely loud volumes as single driver for each way could output more distortion if the driver is taxed with more power.  Anybody have hearing loss?  :D

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Is there a point of me getting these headphones if I'm just going to use an iPhone? I know earlier I asked about amps, (Hugo or Leckertons) if I buy an amp then use it with an iPhone, is the roxanne still good?
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

 

Sounds like your source pairs with roxanne really well (or your bass gain is higher than mine). :) 

 

Looks like I'm running right around 10:30 on the bass now.  Using a Concero HP as my source on apodizing filter - pretty neutral source, but the filter sweetens it a bit.

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JH Roxanne one if the beet synergy :

Source : AK 100
Gain on AK 100 : 60 to 65 sound the best
Amp : Fostex HP V1tube Hybrid amp
Iems : JH Roxanne
Cable : Crystal Cable Reference Diamond IC
JH Roxanne Bass Position : at 9 O clock = 0,00 dB is My favorite setting
Hiss : got Slightly hiss , For Me is very minimal
My impression :
High : smooth extended High With very rich In detail
Mid : This The strong Point from Tube amp very sweet and natural sounding midrange
Bass : very Good In detail and Tube like sounding bass , very Good bass detail
Separation : very Gold music separation
Soundstage : Wide and very Good In Depth
Overal :
I like This set Up pair With My JH Roxanne , i can hear This set Up For Hours never get fatigue .
IMO


Edited by rudi0504 - 6/22/14 at 10:55am
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Is there a point of me getting these headphones if I'm just going to use an iPhone? I know earlier I asked about amps, (Hugo or Leckertons) if I buy an amp then use it with an iPhone, is the roxanne still good?

 

Wow, Roxannes are very sensitive.  Based on what is spec'd I wouldn't say an amp would not make that big of a difference, but from my experience low output impedance with high voltage supply supply amps brings out more dynamism.  With sensitivity like these, I can't say if there would be that big of a difference. 

 

SOUND QUALITY

  • Frequency Response: 10Hz to 23kHz
  • Input Sensitivity: 119dB @ 1mW
  • Impedance: 15 Ohms
  • Freqphase time|phase WaveGuide

Edited by SilverEars - 6/22/14 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

This is just regarding loudness.  He's saying they added 4 drivers per each range is for headroom, posibly low distortion at obscenely loud volumes as single driver for each way could output more distortion if the driver is taxed with more power.  Anybody have hearing loss?  :D

 

I think this might be answered a bit better with why he created the JH16 - it sounded like in some video clip the Roxanne was an attempt to further this concept (largely related to evening out the impedance curve by way of more drivers):

 

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=258462062282

 

FYI to all of you fans, from Jerry.

"The JH16 is not necessarily a better sounding earpiece than the 13. The JH13 is a killer sounding earpiece and audio-wise it is hard to improve upon. Regarding the sound signature, the 13 and 16 are very similar. The JH16 offers more bottom end capacity and therefore will take more low-end input. 

You will notice the difference more in a live setting than a mastered recording. In a live situation the mix is not as controlled. The dynamic range and transient peaks are much more dramatic live. For example, in a live setting, an artist may want to hear a full mix plus a kick drum with a large 50hz boost (more than you would ever hear on a recording) and at a much louder volume than most people would listen. The earpiece needs to have more headroom and capacity so as not to distort at that volume level. This is when the 16 shines. Hope this clears things up a little. 

Jerry"


Edited by bobeau - 6/22/14 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post
 

 

I think this might be answered a bit better with why he created the JH16 - it sounded like in some video clip the Roxanne was an attempt to further this concept (largely related to evening out the impedance curve by way of more drivers):

 

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=258462062282

 

FYI to all of you fans, from Jerry.

"The JH16 is not necessarily a better sounding earpiece than the 13. The JH13 is a killer sounding earpiece and audio-wise it is hard to improve upon. Regarding the sound signature, the 13 and 16 are very similar. The JH16 offers more bottom end capacity and therefore will take more low-end input. 

You will notice the difference more in a live setting than a mastered recording. In a live situation the mix is not as controlled. The dynamic range and transient peaks are much more dramatic live. For example, in a live setting, an artist may want to hear a full mix plus a kick drum with a large 50hz boost (more than you would ever hear on a recording) and at a much louder volume than most people would listen. The earpiece needs to have more headroom and capacity so as not to distort at that volume level. This is when the 16 shines. Hope this clears things up a little. 

Jerry"

I don't understand, why he can't just use lower number of driver with 3-way and just push them louder?  In noisy environments, isolation is very important, and you will get lots of noise.  I don't see why he wouldn't choose to make 12 driver with more crossovers to custom tailor to each performer's live performance situation?(then again, you can just EQ.)

 

Isn't UE personal reference monitors customizing the tune and doing this?


Edited by SilverEars - 6/22/14 at 10:57am
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I believe Rudi has em with Hugo, and I've heard Hugo is bright so could be a good pairing.  I think anything that is bright and recolving could be a worth a shot with these, as the impessions are sounding like it is indeed pretty dark.

Since you have the 1p2, you can give us a good idea of the stage on these.  How is the stage on these?  Is it the wide kind like the 334?  Which is more intimate wide.  Or is it 1p2 wide, where it's not intimate, but side.  Kinda like HE-6 wide and HD800 wide, which have differences in how wide of the stage is focused, but can still have spacious sound.

How about comparison to TG334?  If these have boosted mids, how is the vocal performance in comparison to the 334?  334 is also dark and can have good amount of bass to add intimate spaciousness to the sound.  Sounds like Rox are even darker than 334.  

And lastly, how is it's resolving ability?  

AK 240 + chord Hugo = best set up for JH Roxanne
So far AK 240 + Chord Hugo = is the best setup for jH Roxanne
Source : AK 240
Dac /Amp : Chord Hugo
Iem : JH Roxanne universal

SQ :
the best clarity and balance sound
Tupac has right has a bit sibilance on the midrange , but doesn't disturb my best set up for JH Roxanne
I like the bass reproduction very good detail and clean with very good bass impact too .
Mid not as sweet with tube hybrid Fostex HP V1.
Overall is my favorite set up with JH Roxanne

My second best set up is
Source : AK 100 Gold japan edition
Amp : Fostex HP V 1
Iem : JH Roxanne universal

SQ :
If you like sweet natural mid , this set up is very good , but overall clarity below chord Hugo , the bass is not as clean from Hugo , it is tube sounding SQ

IMO




Edited by rudi0504 - 6/22/14 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by zerox17virus View Post

Is there a point of me getting these headphones if I'm just going to use an iPhone? I know earlier I asked about amps, (Hugo or Leckertons) if I buy an amp then use it with an iPhone, is the roxanne still good?
I don't have the Rox. frown.gif However. I do have the 13fp. smily_headphones1.gif I use them with the iPhone 5s and no amp. An amp does give a small improvement but the 13's are so nice that a the loss of a small improvement is irrelevant IMHO. I would imagine that I would feel the same about any CIEM at this level. The pleasure of not carting an amp around is worth the minimal loss of SQ. Again IMHO. YMMV.
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I don't have the Rox. frown.gif However. I do have the 13fp. smily_headphones1.gif I use them with the iPhone 5s and no amp. An amp does give a small improvement but the 13's are so nice that a the loss of a small improvement is irrelevant IMHO. I would imagine that I would feel the same about any CIEM at this level. The pleasure of not carting an amp around is worth the minimal loss of SQ. Again IMHO. YMMV.

When I am out and around, the benefits of an amp with my iPhone are pretty well nil - but at my desk in a quiet environment where my focus is on the music - where I want to let the JH16, 8A, V8, etc... flex their muscles, the benefits in sound reproduction out of an amp is definitely easier to gauge. The iPhone cannot reproduce complex passages at high volume without breaking down - becoming congested and shouty. (IMHO)

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Originally Posted by Ivabign View Post

When I am out and around, the benefits of an amp with my iPhone are pretty well nil - but at my desk in a quiet environment where my focus is on the music - where I want to let the JH16, 8A, V8, etc... flex their muscles, the benefits in sound reproduction out of an amp is definitely easier to gauge. The iPhone cannot reproduce complex passages at high volume without breaking down - becoming congested and shouty. (IMHO)
Yep. I agree completely. I use the O2. Something more high falutin may well sound even better but the O2 is good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

I don't understand, why he can't just use lower number of driver with 3-way and just push them louder?  In noisy environments, isolation is very important, and you will get lots of noise.  I don't see why he wouldn't choose to make 12 driver with more crossovers to custom tailor to each performer's live performance situation?(then again, you can just EQ.)

Isn't UE personal reference monitors customizing the tune and doing this?
I don't know how many people use the UE Personal Reference Monitors in a live setting, but it's still a 3 way design. The UE18 is a 6 driver utilizing a 4 way crossover (though reviewers wrongly keep calling it a 3 way) which is widely used by performing artists. But for music listening, the number of drivers & crossovers is not nearly as important as how well the design has been implemented, e.g. the JH13 & UE/Capitol Studios monitors...even though I prefer the UE18 to both of those. Nothing wrong with a 12 driver/3 way design if it sounds good.
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