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Originally Posted by DeepGroove View Post

 

Okay so the Roxanne will sound amazing to newbies. That's the least we can expect from a TOTL.

Question is: will it sound amazing to people who already own a top-tier CIEM?

 

If i understand correctly, it won't.

 

Right, it's kinda a weird underhanded criticism - the assertion being this is entry level upper-tier.  That hey, you can spend half as much and get something that sounds better.  The problem is this is a fairly unique sound.

 

The creator assserts this is the best he's ever done - a guy who pioneered this category of listening devices and somehow has remained relevant all these years, his last flagship currently holding the distinction of being at the top of Joker's listings w/ a perfect 10.  He put forth his reasoning why the treble sounds the way it does on the Roxannes (saying others are boosted and uneven due to impedance issues at the upper end which the Roxannes rectify).  Maybe there's something to that.  Or maybe he pooped this one out.   

 

If you peruse all the impressions though you see that it's a pretty polarizing IEM, so for any one expert or group of experts to have final say on "this is what it is, now bend to my authoratay!" is a bit premature.  There are plenty of people here, esp. ones coming from other CIEMs, who think this is the best they've heard.  The main monkey wrench is from the dozen or so reports or impressions I've seen from those who've heard both (in most cases at least one is a demo) the favor sways toward the K10.  I contend that one issue with that is the K10 fits the profile of what a typical audiophile shoots for in a sound profile - the Roxanne sounds unusual, something new that might take more time to process.    

 

An aside - I went to the LA meet w/ a co-worker who had owned a set of Miracles for 2 years.  He was tired of that sound and was looking for something a bit more organic as he put it.   I stood next to him while we tried the Roxannes, the JH13s, JH16s, K10s, K6s, UERM, and an assortment of others I can't remember.  The Roxannes were the only ones that fully blew him away, and he particularly disliked both the JH13s and K10s, saying they both were annoyingly toppy and thin. Coming to the meet he was hoping to purchase a nice CIEM to his liking in the sub $1k category, but instead he got I believe a UE5 for like $350 on sale and is now planning on saving up for a Roxanne to be purchased later in the summer. 

 

On the drive home I talked about the merits of the K10, esp. out of the Hugo, and he was being dismissive as if I were a crazy person... ie "well, some people like that sound, artificially boosted on top, I tried it and it's not for me".  Sound familiar?  Like Kunlun's evil twin?  Haha.

 

On the drive up to the meet, it was as if he had already dismissed Noble and was set on the Roxannes.  He read most of the initial impressions on Head-fi and had decided based on what he read that was going to be his next IEM.  The purpose of the meet seemed to largely be to confirm what he was already hearing in his head - he *knew* he wanted the Roxannes but wasn't quite sure he wanted to spend that much and was hoping to find something else he liked more, but that didn't happen.


Edited by bobeau - 4/1/14 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post
 


Just to be clear, from talking to multiple owners of CIEM companies, moisture WILL damage the acoustic filters in CIEMS and, over time, reduce the sound quality. The good news is that you probably won't notice the loss of quality as you'll get used to it over time. Just like the hearing loss most people get from listening loud... :(

 

Keep your CIEMS away from moisture, don't wear them right after you get out of the shower, store them with moisture absorbing materials if you want them to keep sounding great.

 

You are talking about normal wear and tear. Unless you live in a desert or very dry climate, there will always be moisture around you.

 

Moisture will get inside the your CIEM by just leaving them on top of a table more than leaving it stuck in your ear while you are heavily sweating. Your ear canal has more oil glands rather than sweat glands. If you are sweating (liquid oozing out) off of your ear canal you have some kind of infection.

 

At the worst possible condition, ear wax may build up and clog the bore openings and block the sound coming out.

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Originally Posted by DeepGroove View Post
 

 

Okay so the Roxanne will sound amazing to newbies. That's the least we can expect from a TOTL.

Question is: will it sound amazing to people who already own a top-tier CIEM?

 

If i understand correctly, it won't.

It certainly didn't make me fall off my chair. But I guess that's just for me. By this stage, I don't really get impressed easily by CIEMs any more. K10 didn't make me feel I won't be needing any more CIEM either, I was simply stating how I feel about these two CIEMs.


Edited by tupac0306 - 4/1/14 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

As some people know, I rarely see eye to eye with Kunlun, but he nailed it on this one. This whole Roxanne debacle is spitting in the clients faces while prancing in the shows on Jerry's part. How this company is still in business is beyond me.



The patent was the problem at the beginning. Jerry took people's money to develop a product he knew he couldn't deliver and then stalled and stalled and blamed others. The final product ended up being totally different than the vaporware original. And the quality of the final product was low according to lee730, a jh3a owner.

For the Roxanne, Jerry merely took people's money for a version of the product (the carbon fiber) he didn't know how to make in any quantity and quality, leading to huge delays and quality problems. He also didn't have the cables quality tested. Still a customer service disaster, but possibly less unethical?

That's just a factual summary.

As some people know, I rarely see eye to eye with Kunlun, but he nailed it on this one. This whole Roxanne debacle is spitting in the clients' faces while prancing in the shows on Jerry's part. How this company is still in business is beyond me.

In other news, Angie, who is one of the "nice people" at JH (but still answers most of my mails with copy paste sentences, sometimes badly copied), informed me that my CF Roxanne will ship at the end of May. So if nothing goes wrong, it will be 6 months after the order...
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How this company is still in business is beyond me.

 

I like to bring up Hennessey Motorsports as a shining example - mind-numbingly horrible, seemingly 'criminal' customer service.  So bad that anytime you see an online auto-mag or blog publish an article a bunch of anti-fanboys will clog the comment feed with "how dare you write about them, these guys are crooks!".     

 

But they have a stretched lotus that goes 270mph.  There is that.

 

EDIT: Ha, straight from their wikipedia entry

 


Edited by bobeau - 4/1/14 at 7:22am
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So like robm said
I have the universals and it's definitely a thick sound
The treble definitely rolls off / feels dark
Trying them on brighter amps helps (WA7 was fun)
After playing around with tips, at some point one of the tips got stuck in my ear which was a nuisance >,>
One of the nuts came with paint scratched off while one carbon fiber faceplate was smudged.
And I put the bass to neutral setting most of the time. The treble is still rolled off and overall the sound is a little bit dark.
Oh well, guess I'll see about an exchange or refund with this manufacturing defect. Definitely never buying a JHA product again. The wait for this universal was stupid and they had all this time to inspect a $1300 iem while waiting for cables.
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post
 


Just to be clear, from talking to multiple owners of CIEM companies, moisture WILL damage the acoustic filters in CIEMS and, over time, reduce the sound quality. The good news is that you probably won't notice the loss of quality as you'll get used to it over time. Just like the hearing loss most people get from listening loud... :(

 

Keep your CIEMS away from moisture, don't wear them right after you get out of the shower, store them with moisture absorbing materials if you want them to keep sounding great.

the last part is kinda hard

unless u guys leave home without showering to work/school

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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

As some people know, I rarely see eye to eye with Kunlun, but he nailed it on this one. This whole Roxanne debacle is spitting in the clients' faces while prancing in the shows on Jerry's part. How this company is still in business is beyond me.

In other news, Angie, who is one of the "nice people" at JH (but still answers most of my mails with copy paste sentences, sometimes badly copied), informed me that my CF Roxanne will ship at the end of May. So if nothing goes wrong, it will be 6 months after the order...

For real... End of may:( and you are one of the BF CF's? ... Man that is still quite the wait... I am one of the BF's as well.
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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post
Depends on who you talk to. But in the end it really comes down to what YOU hear.

 

Yes in the end it always does - esp. with this very polarizing IEM. But many potential customers do not have access to demo and rely on users' impressions. It's only in this perspective that I wanted to clarify :)

 

I am one of those who think that a $1.5k CIEM should sound amazing - otherwise why even bother? Get a UM or Noble unit at half the price and you'll get "very good".

But i'm surprised by the number of lukewarm opinions. Maybe they're fueled by the anger of waiting and bad quality issues. Maybe the monitors just don't sound that great. At this point yes, the only way to know is to try.

 

Today Jaben posted a picture of the Roxanne on Facebook, you can see bubbles in the shell and the paint chipping off the nut. I mean... seriously...


Edited by DeepGroove - 4/1/14 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by koicafex View Post

the last part is kinda hard
unless u guys leave home without showering to work/school

It's important. I use ear swabs to gently dry the ear canal before using a ciem in the morning.

Again, the people who make the CIEMs (not one, but several companies) mentioned moisture damaging acoustic filters and loss of sound quality over time.

I keep mine dry and so it won't be a problem on mine.
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Originally Posted by DeepGroove View Post

Yes in the end it always does - esp. with this very polarizing IEM. But many potential customers do not have access to demo and rely on users' impressions. It's only in this perspective that I wanted to clarify smily_headphones1.gif

I am one of those who think that a $1.5k CIEM should sound amazing - otherwise why even bother? Get a UM or Noble unit at half the price and you'll get "very good".
But i'm surprised by the number of lukewarm opinions. Maybe they're fueled by the anger of waiting and bad quality issues. Maybe the monitors just don't sound that great. At this point yes, the only way to know is to try.

Today Jaben posted a picture of the Roxanne on Facebook, you can see bubbles in the shell and the paint chipping off the nut. I mean... seriously...

The price of the Noble K10 is $1,599 in standard format

And regarding moisture, it is a good idea to avoid moisture as your dampers will become clogged over time.

Some folks even opt for a " dry aid" kit/box. ( essentially sucks out moisture, preventing moisture build up)
Edited by FullCircle - 4/1/14 at 9:13am

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Originally Posted by FullCircle View Post

The price of the Noble K10 is $1,599 in standard format

And regarding moisture, it is a good idea to avoid moisture as your dampers will become clogged over time.

Some folks even opt for a " dry aid" kit/box. ( essentially sucks out moisture, preventing moisture build up)
Customer service at its finest!
The wizard makes time for this thread too.... Lol
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post

a guy who pioneered this category of listening devices.

That's actually Marty Garcia, owner of Future Sonics. Marty Garcia was the first to put ear monitors on stage.

Everybody else came later.

The history is interesting.
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You also see where positive feedback is labeled fanboyism and negative feedback is either shilling or someone with an Axe to grind. This may be why a neutral opinion is more common.
Edited by bearFNF - 4/1/14 at 12:27pm
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This thread amoung others is very frustrating to read.  I understand this forum is popular, but seriously the moderators need to weed out some of the members, or charge to be members.

 

There is good information here, but also there are haters that use this forum to bash manufacturers.  Yes when I have a problem I pick up the phone, and if you are polite you will get good service.  If you act like some people on this forum your request goes to the bottom of the pile I am sure.

 

JH has always given me great service, and answered all my questions regarding products or delivery.  

 

Regarding lead time for product: JH quotes working days, so when they quote 30 working days that's not four weeks.

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