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post #4711 of 8306
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post

If you want the quickest possible turnaround, get the acrylic then ditch the CF case that comes with every Roxanne orders.

What is the average turnaround time for acrylic and round case?
post #4712 of 8306
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post

JH Audio has a dominant position in this market and can choose to do something like this and have it work out to their advantage.  

JHA is not in the business of making cables. What advantage are you talking about?

My guess is they can't keep in stock the connectors just for DIY'ers because it's not economical.

As you said, cable makers like Moon or DHC will order a minimum batch so JHA can at least break even.

Of course you could order a replacement cable, tear off the connectors, and do what you will.
Edited by Trogdor - 3/30/14 at 4:19am
post #4713 of 8306
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Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post

JHA is not in the business of making cables. What advantage are you talking about?

My guess is they can't keep in stock the connectors just for DIY'ers because it's not economical.

As you said, cable makers like Moon or DHC will order a minimum batch so JHA can at least break even.

Of course you could order a replacement cable, tear off the connectors, and do what you will.

Meh. They could allow the cable manufacturer, ATI, to sell them but they won't, so cost isn't the reason.
post #4714 of 8306
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

Meh. They could allow the cable manufacturer, ATI, to sell them but they won't, so cost isn't the reason.

Again, will ATI buy a certain quantity to sell? Remember, they are a custom design, they need to be financed up front to get X amount of units to be manufactured.

The idea that JHA is hoarding profits for the cable doesn't make a whole lot sense to me.
post #4715 of 8306
Yes ATI would produce enough to sell, that's part of their business model- cable parts.

ATI makes them in China. They would sell them if they could but they've signed an agreement not to.
Edited by shotgunshane - 3/30/14 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

Yes ATI would produce enough to sell, that's part of their business model- cable parts.

ATI makes them in China. They would sell them if they could but they've signed an agreement not to.

And all I'm saying is that if it made fiscal sense for JHA to have ATI sell them, why wouldn't they?

The argument put forth thus far is because JHA is acting like Apple (only on HFi) and is trying to horde cable connector profits (right..).

The only reason I can think of is that they want to protect the Moon's and DHC's of the world from cheaper alternatives. Again, all of this is conjecture on my part.

Anyway, back on topic, I still don't understand what is actually holding up CF orders? I know its slow going, but wouldn't we see at least a few posts here and there ever few days?
post #4717 of 8306
If it's financial it's in the opposite direction
Do you think it does not cost them
To rec and process and mail an order
For just how many sockets 10 at most
He would likely loose in the process.
As for protecting venders he should
As the pro s will do the repaires as opposed to others who break it
It then goes back to jh audio as a repair
Something I am sure they have to many of already

So what ever they are doing it's fine by me.
Now as for the time issue I have had far worse
Done to me by others.
Al
post #4718 of 8306
These connectors cost pennies to produce. The whole purpose of protecting the connector is to keep competitor ciem companies from using it. That's all it's about. If a competitor can't buy them, they can't produce ciems with them. Plain and simple. UE does the same thing now, only UE doesn't let any custom cable makers buy them as far as I know.
Edited by shotgunshane - 3/30/14 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post

JHA is not in the business of making cables. What advantage are you talking about?

My guess is they can't keep in stock the connectors just for DIY'ers because it's not economical.

As you said, cable makers like Moon or DHC will order a minimum batch so JHA can at least break even.

Of course you could order a replacement cable, tear off the connectors, and do what you will.

 

If you're working w/ cable makers that charge in the $200-400 range per cable and there is a healthy market established - hundreds, perhaps thousands of $1500 earphones in the wild (just like with Apple products, these people would be more likely to splurge on high-end cables) - and you have specific IP involved, then you have leverage.  You might tack on a $5k license fee per annum to be a vendor.  You might take a much healthier profit margin and demand a high minimum order that would only work for established high-end cable makers.

 

Not sure why keeping a bunch of connectors in stock is not econonimcal - if anything, it wouldn't be economical to order small batches of a custom part, and the cost to actually keep stock on hand is... they could store thousands of these in a small shelf bin.  They're probably ordering in lots of at least 100 per order.  

 

But it could be just like Al said, they just don't want this knd of hassle - although in this case w/ new IP involved they're likely taking advantage of it, and we probably won't see someone like BTG make them until they become something of a standard.  


Edited by bobeau - 3/30/14 at 8:00am
post #4720 of 8306
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

These connectors cost pennies to produce. The whole purpose of protecting the connector is to keep competitor ciem companies from using it. That's all it's about. If a competitor can't buy them, they can't produce ciems with them. Plain and simple. UE does the same thing now, only UE doesn't let any custom cable makers buy them as far as I know.

 

A competitor would still need the male part that's inside the IEM.  

post #4721 of 8306
And a client would need his Roxannes, after a 4 month wait, before even considering cables frown.gif
post #4722 of 8306
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

And a client would need his Roxannes, after a 4 month wait, before even considering cables frown.gif
Switch to acrylic and get them hydro dipped smily_headphones1.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN4PS7ZJeYY

Jk
post #4723 of 8306
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post

If you're working w/ cable makers that charge in the $200-400 range per cable and there is a healthy market established - hundreds, perhaps thousands of $1500 earphones in the wild (just like with Apple products, these people would be more likely to splurge on high-end cables) - and you have specific IP involved, then you have leverage.  You might tack on a $5k license fee per annum to be a vendor.  You might take a much healthier profit margin and demand a high minimum order that would only work for established high-end cable makers.

I'm confused, are you saying that is what JHA did? They are charging vendors 5k license to make them?

You are literally talking Apples vs Oranges (hopefully that made you laugh).
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Not sure why keeping a bunch of connectors in stock is not econonimcal - if anything, it wouldn't be economical to order small batches of a custom part, and the cost to actually keep stock on hand is... they could store thousands of these in a small shelf bin.  They're probably ordering in lots of at least 100 per order.  

They are not standard, they are custom connectors. Ordering 1000 connectors for DIY'ers just doesn't seem like the right move to me.
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But it could be just like Al said, they just don't want this knd of hassle - although in this case w/ new IP involved they're likely taking advantage of it, and we probably won't see someone like BTG make them until they become something of a standard.  

Exactly, I would expect nothing less.
post #4724 of 8306
I asked dhc if they'll be selling the plug to the diy community.

Dhc responded saying, 'Possibly, if JH allows it vs. just letting the cables be made under license by select cable builders'
post #4725 of 8306
I bet JH will be selling that potentiometer to the cable dealers too.... Not just the 4 pin plugs.
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