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Originally Posted by Philipperus View Post


I am very interested in this combination... Currently thinking about buying a zx1 for my Roxanne... Is it a good match... Better than ak120?

 

I like them a lot, also because of the much much wider soundstage. For me it is better than the AK120.

 

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Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post
 

I'm enjoying the Roxannes (with the new cable) on my ZX1, but right now its burning in while I listen to the LCD-X

 



Now that you mention it, how does LCD-X sound like compared to Roxanne? Is it really neutral sounding? I'm curious as I got my sight on LCD-X as my next target.

 

I need more time with the X honestly... Its just starting to burn in and since I'm traveling atm I can't listen to it more than I want to.

 

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Originally Posted by delancyst View Post

thanks for the informative recommendations.
unfortunately, i skipped past the DX90, X5 and HM901 cos the small form factor of the AK120 appealed to me more in terms of portability.
But i'll give them try when i can. Also looking at the Calyx and Sony. Hopefully will give a much better UI experience. smily_headphones1.gif

 

The Sony was definitely an up for me in terms of UI. Android is just more my thing. And it doesn't hurt that when you want to share something immediately you can just upload it on dropbox or NFC it.

 

Waiting for the other DAPs to bowl me over too :)

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I cannot believe these high end companies have the audacity to use plastic for their IEMs and a flimsy two pin connector. I would expect a screw on at the least. Are these two pin connectors durable? And why the use of plastic in literally every good iem?
Se846, fitear tg334, um miracle, ue18, 1964 v6, westone 4r.. Do I need to go on?!

Why on EARTH do they not use higher quality materials?
Edited by Lukalop - 1/16/14 at 7:04am
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[quote name="VisceriousZERO"
The Sony was definitely an up for me in terms of UI. Android is just more my thing. And it doesn't hurt that when you want to share something immediately you can just upload it on dropbox or NFC it.

Waiting for the other DAPs to bowl me over too smily_headphones1.gif
[/quote]

Have you tried slotting a pico slim underneath the recessed area of the Sony? smily_headphones1.gif
post #2749 of 8331
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Originally Posted by delancyst View Post

[quote name="VisceriousZERO"
The Sony was definitely an up for me in terms of UI. Android is just more my thing. And it doesn't hurt that when you want to share something immediately you can just upload it on dropbox or NFC it.

Waiting for the other DAPs to bowl me over too smily_headphones1.gif

Have you tried slotting a pico slim underneath the recessed area of the Sony? smily_headphones1.gif[/quote]

My pico slim unfortunatey bonked out, so I cant try :c
post #2750 of 8331
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

If you consider less than 1db more roll than the 8-1 ratio thing huge. Unless the Roxanne drops significantly below it's 15 ohm rating somewhere in it's curve, it's a non issue. It could vary from 15 to infinity and this would be the case.  The huge roll offs tend to be a function of capacitor coupling the output along with higher output impedance. You'd need 750uf to keep a 15 ohm IEM withing a DB at 20 hz even with a low output impedance. That's twice what you see in better DAPs. The Tera already has built in high frequency roll, coupling capacitors and much higher output impedance. Also doesn't make it bad if somebody likes the pairing but it will show the sort of frequency aberrations you mentioned. It's a fine example of a technical mismatch but a poor comparison.

As long as you're in the 3 ohm and below range and not using coupling caps, your technically doing OK. Jerry and AK don't show with each other's products because they don't work together.bigsmile_face.gif  Personal taste aside, there's nothing wrong with this pairing.
Thanks for the clarification...my technical understanding is limited and as I said...if it sounds good then good smily_headphones1.gif
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The fit is good for me, but if I push the earpieces in, it creates a "suction" effect which isolates all sound. Do I need a refit?

post #2752 of 8331
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Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post
 

 

I like them a lot, also because of the much much wider soundstage. For me it is better than the AK120.

 

 

I need more time with the X honestly... Its just starting to burn in and since I'm traveling atm I can't listen to it more than I want to.

 

 

The Sony was definitely an up for me in terms of UI. Android is just more my thing. And it doesn't hurt that when you want to share something immediately you can just upload it on dropbox or NFC it.

 

Waiting for the other DAPs to bowl me over too :)

 

 

VZ love your initial comments on the ZX1.  Has me very intrigued!!  Since I have time, based on my carbon fiber order I'm studying the DAP options.  Thanks also to Mython's suggestions.

 

OK I'm moving into new dumb territory.  Is "Android" the android phone platform?  I am completely Apple top to bottom.  Have never even had my hands on an Android based phone.  Will it play well in the Apple world?

 

Actually thought I would be content with just using my Roxanne's with my iPhone since I need to be very portable.  It seems I'm missing out on a lot of quality based on helpful comments and my huge learning curve being filled in.


Edited by jlcichocki - 1/16/14 at 9:17am
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I've received the Roxanne for 1 day (BF order, non-carbon), nuts not busted yet... :)

 

Bass adjusted to 3 o'clock position, sounds amazing :)


Edited by z3r0day - 1/16/14 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by jlcichocki View Post

VZ love your initial comments on the ZX1.  Has me very intrigued!!  Since I have time, based on my carbon fiber order I'm studying the DAP options.  Thanks also to Mython's suggestions.

OK I'm moving into new dumb territory.  Is "Android" the android phone platform?  I am completely Apple top to bottom.  Have never even had my hands on an Android based phone.  Will it play well in the Apple world?

Actually thought I would be content with just using my Roxanne's with my iPhone since I need to be very portable.  It seems I'm missing out on a lot of quality based on helpful comments and my huge learning curve being filled in.

Android is the Google Android platform. Its simple to use, and I actually switched from an iphone to a nexus 5 but thats another story.

Its much easier to use becauee it feels like a smartphone and plays like a high quality DAP
post #2755 of 8331
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Originally Posted by z3r0day View Post
 

The fit is good for me, but if I push the earpieces in, it creates a "suction" effect which isolates all sound. Do I need a refit?


Does the sound change? or does it just cut out more of the background?

 

Mine do a similar thing, the actual sound of the IEM's does not change for me. The only change I hear is better isolation from REALLY loud background noise (VERY loud bass from the music at a hockey game).  I decided it is not worth it to send them in for re-fit as they are very comfortable the way they are and are doing what I expect them to do, sound really excellent, that is.  I figure mine are close to prefect fit just not 100% on where they could be for isolation, which is not a huge issue for me.

 

You will need to decide if you need the better isolation or not, but if the sound is changing when you push them in or you are not getting the proper seal for the bass that would be a reason to consider a refit.  Are they comfortable for you?


Edited by bearFNF - 1/16/14 at 9:49am
post #2756 of 8331
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

I cannot believe these high end companies have the audacity to use plastic for their IEMs and a flimsy two pin connector. I would expect a screw on at the least. Are these two pin connectors durable? And why the use of plastic in literally every good iem?
Se846, fitear tg334, um miracle, ue18, 1964 v6, westone 4r.. Do I need to go on?!

Why on EARTH do they not use higher quality materials?

 

 

I'm not sure you quite understand what is involved in making a full custom IEM, but it is not at all the same thing as manufacturing a mass-produced non-customised IEM like the fitear TG334, or Shure SE846.

 

3D printing is moving on at a rapid pace, and it is now possible to print metal in 3D, but, aside from the considerable investment required for the necessary high-volume machinery, it's not necessarily a material you'd want to put deep inside your ear.

 

Exactly what material are you proposing to be 'superior' to acrylic, for the purposes of IEM or CIEM construction?

 

Personally, having owned both silicone and acrylic CIEMs, I rather like acrylic plastic. It's hygienic, hypo-allergenic, and generally remains near body temperature, so it doesn't shock you when you insert it into your ears. It's also relatively lightweight, durable, and (if one wishes) can be used transparently, so as to view all the components in the CIEM.

 

Acrylic is very appropriate for CIEM manufacture and (with respect) it is misguided to presume that acrylic is not 'high quality' just because it is plastic. There are plenty of cars, machines etc. in the world today that are made from metal but are terrible quality. What matters is the quality of the specification of the material, and the quality of how it is implemented into a product.

 

To give you a better understanding of the manufacturing process of a fully-customised IEM, here are some informative videos:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/578855/things-to-consider-before-getting-your-custom-iem-impressions-done-the-perfect-fit#post_7871678

 

 

Silicone also has its pros and cons, when used for CIEM manufacture, but again, is in no way necessarily 'low quality'. Like acrylic, it's relatively hygienic (though, arguably, slightly less so than acrylic, owing to silicones propensity to attract dust), hypo-allergenic, and generally remains near body temperature.

 

 

Also, FWIW, the Roxannes use a 4-pin connector, rather than the more common 2-pin design.  However, even the common 'Westone' style 2-pin connectors are sufficiently durable (particularly if the vendor is willing to make the CIEM sockets recessed, as, for example, Unique Melody do).

 

 

 



Edited by Mython - 1/16/14 at 10:48am
post #2757 of 8331
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Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post
 

He struck a nerve didnt he?

 

 

Not particularly; it's just that it seemed misguided and not well-considered. That's not a criticism, just an observation. Hence why I offered videos to explain why acrylic is a popular material for CIEM manufacture.

 

Undoubtedly, as 3D-printing achieves ever-greater market penetration, we will start to see a wider range of materials being used for CIEM manufacture, but I don't see acrylic as being an inferior material for the purpose. It suits CIEMs very well indeed.

post #2758 of 8331
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

I cannot believe these high end companies have the audacity to use plastic for their IEMs and a flimsy two pin connector. I would expect a screw on at the least. Are these two pin connectors durable? And why the use of plastic in literally every good iem?
Se846, fitear tg334, um miracle, ue18, 1964 v6, westone 4r.. Do I need to go on?!

Why on EARTH do they not use higher quality materials?

 

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

 

I'm not sure you quite understand what is involved in making a full custom IEM, but it is not at all the same thing as manufacturing a mass-produced non-customised IEM like the fitear TG334, or Shure SE846.

 

3D printing is moving on at a rapid pace, and it is now possible to print metal in 3D, but, aside from the considerable investment required for the necessary high-volume machinery, it's not necessarily a material you'd want to put deep inside your ear.

 

Exactly what material are you proposing to be 'superior' to acrylic, for the purposes of IEM or CIEM construction?

 

 


I didn't even want to get into this but here I am anyway, I THINK what he may be referring to is the connector material and not the earpiece material??

 

But that being said it is still a high quality material being used.  There just may be tooling issues to deal with...this is all guess work as I do not work for JH and am not part of their design team. 

 

But being a design engineer I know there are lots of materials to choose from and they all have their formulated/designed purpose.  Using the word "plastic" in this manner to encompass all of them is very naïve and quite frankly shows the ignorance (of the design processes and of materials) of the speaker. 

Don't take it personally I am not calling anyone stupid, but using the literal definition of the word ignorant, ~~lacking knowledge or uneducated in this particular field. 

:deadhorse:

post #2759 of 8331
@Mython & @bearFNF

Thank you both for the feedback. FYI I was referring to both the input connector and the shell of the IEM, I did not realise that the material is specifically chosen because of its comfortability properties and did not think of this, I thought it was done to cut down costs. Now I can respect IEMs for what they are and not overpriced clumps of plastic! But with the astonishing 5-way crossover from spiral ears which is unheard of, it looks like JH have some tough competition.

Furthermore, now that they have implemented freqphase, how does the soundstage compare to the HD800 generally speaking for the line of IEMs (Jh 13, 16 & Rox)? In reviews I have heard that apparently they have spectacular soundstage. If that is true then it is truly fascinating, JH has reached the pinnacle of true quality sound, innovation is just something else!
Edited by Lukalop - 1/16/14 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

@Mython & @bearFNF

Thank you both for the feedback. FYI I was referring to both the input connector and the shell of the IEM, I did not realise that the material is specifically chosen because of its comfortability properties and did not think of this, I thought it was done to cut down costs. Now I can respect IEMs for what they are and not overpriced clumps of plastic!

 

It's cool. Please don't think we were being horrible to you, personally, we were both just addressing what you said.

 

I'm glad you now have a better understanding of how and why CIEMs are made the way they are.

 

For what it's worth, I do understand why you may have felt that plastic isn't the best material, it's just that the reality of things is a little more complex, in practice! :wink_face:

 

Interestingly, I do own a pair of Denon AH-C701 / AH-C751 IEMs that are made from turned aluminium, and they do sound rather good in their reproduction of realistic bass percussion - in fact, so good that, for bass percussion realism, they put quite a few more expensive earphones to shame. Part of this realism might be partly related to the use of a single piece of aluminium for the main portion of the enclosure (which is relatively 'non-resonant'), rather than 2 or more pieces of plastic, so there is sometimes a good reason not to use plastic.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

 But with the astonishing 5-way crossover from spiral ears which is unheard of, it looks like JH have some tough competition.

 

Yes, but greater complexity of the crossover has some negative, as well as potential positive, aspects, so don't be too swayed by the 5-way crossover, when comparing CIEMs.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

Furthermore, now that they have implemented freqphase, how does the soundstage compare to the HD800 generally speaking for the line of IEMs (Jh 13, 16 & Rox)? In reviews I have heard that apparently they have spectacular soundstage. If that is true then it is truly fascinating, JH has reached the pinnacle of true quality sound, innovation is just something else!

 

 

I haven't personally heard the HD800 as I am not into cans. Others here will be able to offer insight on that.

 

As far as soundstage goes, multi-BA CIEMs can have lovely soundstages, but many users of cans maintain that cans have a more convincing 'outside the head' soundstage than CIEMs.

 

All I can say is that I have been very satisfied with the soundstage of some of the CIEMs I have owned, but not all.

 

There can also sometimes be a trade-off whereby tricks can be used to tune phase alignment to give the illusion of bigger soundstage, but this may sometimes be at the expense of realism of imaging/placement.  I haven't personally heard a JHA 'Freqphase' CIEM so I cannot comment upon how convincing they are in terms of soundstage and imaging. UM Miracle has a very large soundstage, but sometimes the imaging isn't realistic, because some instruments can sound too 'LEFT' or 'RIGHT', at 90 degrees from the head, but the flip-side of this is that their large soundstage can make listening for long periods less fatiguing than with CIEMs / IEMs that have a more 'in-your-head' soundstage presentation.

 

It's always a complex interplay of compromises, which is why there is such a large variety of different CIEM designs.

 

 

 



Edited by Mython - 1/16/14 at 12:50pm
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