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I finally sent my Ear impressions to JHAudio.

 

However, based on your recommendation, I had a NEW set of impression done, with the Silicone injected deeper into my ear (the version at the bottom of each picture).  

 

I sent booth to JH so that they can compare them if there is a defect/problem on one impression.  Hope this time it will be good.

 

--> Thanks you all for preventing me to send only the first set of imprint. :D

 

 

 

 

 And now... the wait start .............................................................

 

I WILL BE VERY VERY interested to hear from someone the first comparaison between  theRoxane Custom and the Universal 1plus2.  I hope this will reassure me to have choosen the Custom route...


Edited by bmichels - 12/19/13 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post
 

I WILL BE VERY VERY interested to hear from someone the first comparaison between  theRoxane Custom and the Universal 1plus2.  I hope this will reassure me to have choosen the Custom route...

If you are so determined to get what is best in the market, why you didn't go for SE5way or Hidition flagships?

post #1758 of 7224
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

I finally sent my Ear impressions to JHAudio.

However, based on your recommendation, I had a NEW set of impression done, with the Silicone injected deeper into my ear (the version at the bottom of each picture).  

I sent booth to JH so that they can compare them if there is a defect/problem on one impression.  Hope this time it will be good.

--> Thanks you all for preventing me to send the first set of imprint. biggrin.gif








 And now... the wait start .............................................................

I WILL BE VERY VERY interested to hear from someone the first comparaison between  theRoxane Custom and the Universal 1plus2.  I hope this will reassure me to have choosen the Custom route...

The new set looks much better. You should have sent the first one to avoid JH from making the mistake of using it. Or worst mixing it up and use one from each pair. lol
post #1759 of 7224
Impressions nicely done! smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post
 

If you are so determined to get what is best in the market, why you didn't go for SE5way or Hidition flagships?

In what way are the better than the ROXANE ? 

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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post
 

In what way are the better than the ROXANE ?

Ok nevermind, enjoy your Roxanne please, I hope you will like it.

post #1762 of 7224
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

In what way are the better than the ROXANE ? 

Me and Michael will let you know soon:)
post #1763 of 7224
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post
 

I finally sent my Ear impressions to JHAudio.

 

However, based on your recommendation, I had a NEW set of impression done, with the Silicone injected deeper into my ear (the version at the bottom of each picture).  

 

I sent both to JH so that they can compare them if there is a defect/problem on one impression.  Hope this time it will be good.

 

--> Thanks you all for preventing me to send only the first set of imprint. :D

 

 

 

 

You're welcome. I hope you enjoy your customs. Those new impressions look much better!

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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

In what way are the better than the ROXANE ? 

Hopefully Roxanne would best both of them:)
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

Me and Michael will let you know soon:)
we sure will smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

 

Apart from the fact that there are also deep fitting universals like Etymotic, what makes you think that closeness to the eardrum automatically translates into better sound? By that logic, full-sized headphones would be inherently inferior to IEMs, no?

 

At the risk of people accusing me to sound like a broken record, my demo UERMs not only sound subjectively, but also measure objectively extremely similar to my UERM customs. Which means that Ultimate Ears are able to produce a demo unit that resembles their full custom to a very high degree. I respect your opinion if you think that JHA may not be up to that task, but I think my UERM example proves that it's wrong to state that as a general rule.

 

 

First of all, don't go comparing a single dynamic driver cross-over-less headphone to multi-ba. They are not even related. It's not about closeness to the ear drum, it's about phase alignment. When you split a sound signal three ways, you run into phase alignment issues. You can only do so much with cross overs to mitigate this, until you actually have to displace the transducers to maintain proper phase alignment. I have no idea how this is done inside a UIEM, but I believe the driver placement is what causes UIEMs to end up fatter (less flush) than their CIEMs siblings. I don't know whether or not UE or JHA is up to the task, but I would think they try their best since a nice portion of sales come from people auditioning their UIEM.

 

And then besides this, a UIEM still needs to rely on two things. The seal should be ideal (which often times it isn't because everyone has a different canal size and shape), and both sides should have the same seal level (which again often times you don't achieve). I'm not saying it's impossible for a UIEM to sound exactly like it's CIEM counterpart, what I'm saying is that all these variables make this very unlikely, and the reason why almost everyone who auditioned them has a different impression which should be taken with a large dose of salt.

 

 

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headwhacker/jag.. i hope my sarcasm didnt offend. no one has a collection of standalone DSD files let alone DSD256 just a bit of hyperbole to bring levity to the subject. however on a more serious note 16x44.1 isnt going to maximize these.. nor is it "more than enough"; this is headfi, so 'notsureifsrs'. these ears can easily resolve resolution higher than red book... thats kind of the starting line dont you think? 24x192 is probably a better goalpost for a product like this..

 

 

Actually it's scientifically plenty since most adults can't even hear anything above 17 Khz. Saying you need 24/192 means that you are claiming to be able to resolve a dynamic range of 144db of frequencies from 0 to 96 Khz. Please don't try that out, I don't want to be responsible for you going deaf.

 

Anyways let's stay on topic.

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I don't think he said 'need' and liking 24/192 doesn't mean you need to hear above 17k or use 144db of dynamic range. Lots of things that our built in test instruments can differentiate that we don't know how to measure. They are especially sensitive to time differential for instance and certain perceptions can become more acute when associated with others. I personally prefer it but don't get militant about it because it's generally not the weakest link to great sound. 

 

I tend to agree that a universal won't sound exactly like it's custom counterpart but even that can be mitigated. No one said the maker needed to use the exact same filters etc to compensate for shorter bores and required tips. Before FP, no one was that concerned with relative stagger anyway. Bores were more or less approximated. Identical would be tough but it doesn't mean a product, especially one designed to be, can't be representative.

 

 I'd just try to keep an open mind as opposed to these sort of absolutes. That's how we can stay on topic.


Edited by goodvibes - 12/19/13 at 8:26am
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Can someone tell me why its such a great feature of the new roxanne to go over 20khz ? I mean I personally cant even hear 18khz... Why is there a need for headphones in general to go above that?
post #1769 of 7224
Regarding sampling rates: See Dan Lavry's writing on this subject. The ideal sampling rate falls between 48 & 88.2 kHz. Going far beyond that can actually increase errors.
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Originally Posted by Philipperus View Post

Can someone tell me why its such a great feature of the new roxanne to go over 20khz ? I mean I personally cant even hear 18khz... Why is there a need for headphones in general to go above that?

 

I don't think it's that everyone wants it to go over 20khz, per se, it's just that it's nice to keep the treble response as (relatively-speaking) 'flat' as possible, rather than rolling-off steeply.

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