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post #1726 of 8302
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Originally Posted by JAG87 View Post

I believe the only person who has custom fitted Roxannes besides Jerry is Jude, and he said it's one of the best headphone's he's ever heard, period. So that should tell you something.

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post #1727 of 8302
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Originally Posted by Roscoeiii View Post
 

 

No such thing as unbiased. Best we can hope for is honesty, disclosure and hopefully self-awareness about what bias exists. 

 

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If anyone thinks that someone can give you an unbiased opinion of something like audio quality which is basically completely subjective, then you're delusional. Just about the only significant contribution one can deliver in a review is experience. The more products one has tried, the more that person is eligible to rank according to their taste. But again, it's their taste, it doesn't necessarily have to match yours, and you can't call that a bias.


Edited by JAG87 - 12/18/13 at 11:15am
post #1728 of 8302
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Originally Posted by JAG87 View Post
 

Forget the conflicting reports, honestly people, you should give zero importance to impressions from universals. The main reason CIEMs sound better than universals is because they fit properly and are correctly aligned (past the first bend) with your ear drum. If you look at your customs, the high frequency drivers are actually placed between the first bend and the second bend and fire almost directly past the second bend. Try that with a universal. Any variation in fit changes both the bass and treble perception significantly. A universal can only give a rough indication but it's absolutely not how your CIEM will sound. I believe the only person who has custom fitted Roxannes besides Jerry is Jude, and he said it's one of the best headphone's he's ever heard, period. So that should tell you something.

 

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post #1729 of 8302
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Originally Posted by JAG87 View Post
 

 But again, it's their taste, it doesn't necessarily have to match yours, and you can't call that a bias.

 

 

I wasn't. That's not what I was referring to.

 

 

I was referring to the fact that Jude runs a website with many sponsors supporting it, and hobnobs with many other manufacturers, too, on a frequent basis.

 

That's not to say that I'm casting aspersions at Jude. It's not meant in that kind of spirit. All I'm observing is that the waters of potential bias can become more clouded when there are numerous friendships and allegiances, and obligations playing some role, however small. That's just the nature of business and politics.

post #1730 of 8302

Is there anyone here who currently owns UM's Miracle and who favours a natural, neutral presentation of acoustic music?

 

I'm looking for someone who can guide me as to how the Roxannes sound.

 

We all know that personal bias and differences mean that no one necessarily hears any given product the same way another one does, but we can sometimes get a sense of whether something might sound somewhat similar to something we have already heard.

 

I am impressed that Jerry has taken the time to sit down and really think about how he might be able to do something innovative to improve treble extension. Innovation is a bit thin on the ground, in the CIEM marketplace.

 

I don't know if, in the fullness of time, I will turn out to enjoy the tuning of the Roxanne but I respect Jerry for trying to legitimately innovate this aspect of treble reproduction (just don't like the marketing approach, LOL! :wink_face:)

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

 

I wasn't. That's not what I was referring to.

 

 

I was referring to the fact that Jude runs a website with many sponsors supporting it, and hobnobs with many other manufacturers, too, on a frequent basis.

 

That's not to say that I'm casting aspersions at Jude. It's not meant in that kind of spirit. All I'm observing is that the waters of potential bias can become more clouded when there are numerous friendships and allegiances, and obligations playing some role, however small. That's just the nature of business and politics.

 

 

Absolutely, that's very reasonable thinking, but there's a big difference in spotlighting some positive attributes to emphasize a product, versus saying that it's on of the best you've ever heard... I'm not trying to defend the product here, but if you put your word out like that and it turns out wrong, the credibility of your opinion (and therefore the site too) sinks tremendously.

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Originally Posted by JAG87 View Post
 

 

 

Absolutely, that's very reasonable thinking, but there's a big difference in spotlighting some positive attributes to emphasize a product, versus saying that it's on of the best you've ever heard... I'm not trying to defend the product here, but if you put your word out like that and it turns out wrong, the credibility of your opinion (and therefore the site too) sinks tremendously.

 

 

That's a fair point, well-made.

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Guys, we should really keep on topic smily_headphones1.gif but I applaud JH for making us fly off to discuss almost everything under the sun coz the Roxannes are so controversial!

EDIT: We've all been mod-warned twice already so yeah smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by VisceriousZERO - 12/18/13 at 12:14pm
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Found a new impression on Sina Weibo (Chinese Twitter). You will need to a Weibo account to view the original post.

Source: http://www.weibo.com/208232307

 

 

I translated as accurately as I could:

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I've just listened to the Roxanne. It offers great resolution. The highs, mids, and lows are fairly balanced, but I dislike the ridiculously wide soundstage(vomit), which is unrealistic because it obviously is not reconstructing the original recording environment. It's like as if the Roxanne is transforming a small stage into a giant theatre.

 

Here are my opinions for those who are looking for purchase the Roxanne but did not have the chance to demo them: first, the 12 drivers in each side of the Roxanne do provide a high quality sound, but it will require a good source with high control. Second, the Roxanne is overly analytical rather than musical, so it might be fatiguing for long listening sessions. Finally, I believe that it is designed for stage monitoring rather than listening to music. I hope you guys do not following the hype. If you have CIEMs, you should refrain from purchasing these, as JH13 is obviously the tried-and-true option here.


Edited by z3r0day - 12/18/13 at 1:11pm
post #1735 of 8302
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

I wasn't. That's not what I was referring to.

 

I was referring to the fact that Jude runs a website with many sponsors supporting it, and hobnobs with many other manufacturers, too, on a frequent basis.

 

That's not to say that I'm casting aspersions at Jude. It's not meant in that kind of spirit. All I'm observing is that the waters of potential bias can become more clouded when there are numerous friendships and allegiances, and obligations playing some role, however small. That's just the nature of business and politics.

 

The following is from a recent PM I sent someone about this very topic:

 


 

Whether or not a company is a sponsor or not has no bearing on what I think of their product. You are correct that I do know a lot of people in the industry; but, again, that has no bearing on what I think (and so therefore what I post) about their products.

 

When we first started the Gift Guide, for example, the over-ear section consisted of about 33% sponsor headphones, and 67% non-sponsor headphones. Over the years, as more and more companies have become sponsors, that percentage has increased, yet still over 50% of the headphones in the over-ear section of the guide (typically the most-read section of the guide) are made by non-sponsors.

 

Consider also that Sponsors include companies like Audeze, HiFiMAN, beyerdynamic, and Sennheiser. Whose headphone have I said I think is perhaps the best headphone in the world? Stax--a tiny, enigmatic little company from Japan who will likely never advertise here or anywhere else. Who else lately? Abyss. Abyss is not a Sponsor.

 

I do not withhold comments about negative aspects of products I review. I just do not tend to review products I don't like overall, because I don't typically enjoy spending time with products I don't like.

 

Regarding the Gift Guide again: whether Sponsor products or non-Sponsor products, they're all treated fairly, including comments about things I don't like--the design of the Monster DNA (Sponsor); the noise floor of the Vali with certain headphones, and also the ringing tubes (Sponsor); the lack of refinement of the MDR-V6 (Sponsor); the mediocre-at-best noise canceling of the UE 6000 and its treble roll-off (Sponsor); noise-canceling of QC15 (non-Sponsor) superior to noise-canceling of MDR-1RNC (Sponsor); Purity Pro's bad sound without noise-canceling switched on (Sponsor); emphasizing UE9000's bass boost in certain modes (Sponsor); Ray Samuels Audio SR-71B (non-Sponsor) has lower noise floor than ALO Audio Rx MK3-B (Sponsor); poor battery life of PHA-1 (Sponsor); X1's noise floor too high for IEMs (Sponsor); heavy criticism of the HM-801's user interface, even stating that I do not use it as a media player, only a DAC (Sponsor); C4's poor user interface, discouraging its use as a media player (Sponsor); etc. Etc. Etc.

 

On top of that, the guide includes many gushing reviews of non-Sponsor products--too many to count--many of which also state things I'm not crazy about.

 


 

All that said, I understand your thoughts/concerns on the matter; but I wanted to respond, not to change your mind, but just to respond. As I've always said, I'm just another data point--just one man's opinion among perhaps tens (or hundreds) of thousands here. The only person my opinion is right for 100% of the time is me.

 

Mython, I understand that my opinion of the Roxanne is probably not going to be weighed heavily by you, and that's okay; so here are two more opinions:

 

From HeadphoneAddict: http://www.head-fi.org/t/685524/canjam-at-rmaf-october-2013-impressions-thread/15#post_9884575

 

From Asr (whose position on JH Audio definitely does not run consistent with the type of bias you're talking about, which you'll understand when you read it): http://www.head-fi.org/t/685524/canjam-at-rmaf-october-2013-impressions-thread/255#post_9922915

 

(Sorry for all the off-topic stuff; let's stay on topic.)

post #1736 of 8302

Am I the only one that thinks the CF version with the CF case looks gawd awful?

 

 

 

Anyways, looking forward to impressions when people start getting them. I've pretty much ignored all the ranting and none sense for the most part. I'm sure these will sound great, and I try not to think too much about them since it will be a bit before I actually get mine.  

post #1737 of 8302

That's a decent response, Jude.

 

Fair enough.

 

JFTR, though, I do consider this to be legitimately on-topic and contextually-appropriate to the thread discussion, but I acknowledge that it has now run its natural course.

 

 

I'm very much looking forward to many more 'data points' in the coming few weeks, and I assure you I will be very happy if the consensus of opinion concurs with yours, that the Roxanne is one of the best CIEMs available at present, because that is precisely what I will be looking to purchase in 2014, just as soon as I can raise the necessary funds.

post #1738 of 8302

Jude has briefly joined in other discussions to compare some of his personal customs including preferences. I've never got any sense of bias beyond his very experienced personal preferences.  Perhaps a bit of measured political correctness to prevent misquotes etc. but it's been very easy to understand his meaning.

post #1739 of 8302
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Originally Posted by z3r0day View Post

Found a new impression on Sina Weibo (Chinese Twitter). You will need to a Weibo account to view the original post.
Source: http://www.weibo.com/208232307


I translated as accurately as I could:

Well translated.
post #1740 of 8302
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Originally Posted by JAG87 View Post

the high frequency drivers are actually placed between the first bend and the second bend and fire almost directly past the second bend. Try that with a universal.


+1

good point.
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