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Originally Posted by JAG87 View Post
 

First of all, I don't consider the sound of the JH16 to be V shaped at all. Their frequency response from 20Hz to 20 KHz is literally a downwards slide. There is no increase in response at high frequencies, if anything it is the opposite (because impedance grows like crazy past 16KHz). So stop referring to them as V shaped, because they are not.

 

Well, I said every measurement I've seen. Perhaps I've just seen the wrong ones. ;)

 

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Second of all, I agree perfectly with your last paragraph, but please I beg you to keep in mind that in this field there is no black and white, no right or wrong. There is only experience. When I make a statement such as the one I made, it refers only to my preference with regards to my experience. Since my experience is pretty extensive (for my age at least) with both headphones and speakers, I think I can contribute my feelings towards the subject, but by no means is it absolute truth.

 

No problem with that. :smile_phones: 

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Well, I said every measurement I've seen. Perhaps I've just seen the wrong ones. wink.gif

GoldenEars review
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V-shaped? C'mon now...you are stretching it. The mid range dip is only relative to the caculated 3db boot down stairs. The fact is that's a fairly neutral graph minus the treble extension which has always been JH16P's biggest weakest IMO (by no means terrible either, but I am expecting big things from the Roxanne's).

You want V-Shape, take a look at a TH-900 FR curve. That's that a V or U.
Edited by Trogdor - 12/9/13 at 2:20pm
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40 per batch? That makes me like 20th batch :'( where did you get the info?
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Anyone heard something new about their Roxanne being shipped:)? They will send them per batch of 40# as far as I understood...
Can't wait for a proper review:)!
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Fact the JH16 graph is fairly neutral? blink.gif The GE graph shows ~7db boost at 100hz and 10k and 10db valley at 3k. That's a V. The PCmag graph of the old JH16 shows a bass first oriented iem. No neutrality to be seen.

I have a JH13 and it is most certainly not neutral and I wouldn't protest too much with the mild U description a few have offered up here and there. The 16 just raises the ante on bass.
Edited by shotgunshane - 12/9/13 at 2:36pm
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using the se 535 shure , 

 

does one have an idea regarding the difference between the two in reference to sound ?

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Unequalized, the se535 sound like $20 earbuds compared to my JH16s. I would imagine the Roxanne to be an even wider gap. The se535 can really redeem itself if you boost the lows and the highs, but out of the box there is no comparison at all.

 

That's basically saying you prefer the JH16's V-shaped sound signature over the SE535's more mid-centric one, and if you EQ the SE535 to make them sound more V-shaped, you like them better.

 

Sound signature preference has little to do with price to performance ratio in my book. By the same logic, those who prefer a more mid-centric sound signature might say the JH16 sound like $20 earbuds.


Nothing wrong with $20 earbuds if they sound great! wink.gif


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40 per batch? That makes me like 20th batch :'( where did you get the info?

Thought I picked that up earlier in the thread... But I haven't spoke about it with someone from JH.

Only thing that I've heard from them is that they haven't shipped out any of them... This was last week, so we'll see:) I ordered on Black Friday so yeah... I kinda hope that they will have batches of 200#! haha:)

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There is only to ways $20 .00 earbuds sound good . One is your just paying for shipping for a $500 pair of earbuds. . And the other is , it drowns out having to listen to you ex wife.

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Will the Roxanne headphones fix the slightly harsh treble. Rain for example sounds unusually harsh on my JH13s. Secondly, are you ever going to release the frequency response information.

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The first one is easy , it will not stop harshness. The second if you are asking me , I do not have any freq chart to give you.
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.... Rain for example sounds unusually harsh on my JH13s. ....

 

May I ask what you are driving your JH13s with/from?

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Fact the JH16 graph is fairly neutral? blink.gif The GE graph shows ~7db boost at 100hz and 10k and 10db valley at 3k. That's a V. The PCmag graph of the old JH16 shows a bass first oriented iem. No neutrality to be seen.

I have a JH13 and it is most certainly not neutral and I wouldn't protest too much with the mild U description a few have offered up here and there. The 16 just raises the ante on bass.

Holy cow!

A "V" is a mid range dip not a treble valley or a treble spike (now the HD800 is all of sudden a V under your definition).

The midrange of both the JH13 and JH16 are fairly flat (LOOK at the curve!). The JH16 is obviously not neutral because of the +3db boost in the bass region (calculated though).

I'm not saying the JH16 or JH13 are the be all, end all of CIEMs or headphones in general, but the descriptions here are dubious at best.

I've had countless weeks with the SE535 (a close friend owns them) and I own the 16's. They are honestly, not even close. It's not a question of EQ adjustments or sound profile, the 16's and I would suspect the 13's (without the +3db boost) are just in a different league.
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We must be looking at different things. This is the GE compensated JH16 graph:


3k is upper midrange where much of vocals and guitar bite reside.

Edited by shotgunshane - 12/9/13 at 5:29pm
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As I own both of the jh iem,s we are discussing, I also own the hier 8a. Now really that is a u or v or something compared to the JH . and I use a lot of EQ. To put it back where I wanted it. My pint is if I sued that EQ on the JH13 or 16. It would be way to.much. So they both cannot be curved .
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

As I own both of the jh iem,s we are discussing, I also own the hier 8a. Now really that is a u or v or something compared to the JH . and I use a lot of EQ. To put it back where I wanted it. My pint is if I sued that EQ on the JH13 or 16. It would be way to.much. So they both cannot be curved .

 

Heir 8A... V shaped? :blink:

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