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post #4351 of 4705
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Originally Posted by songmic View Post
 

 

The HD800 is not a complete winner, but each excels in different genres.

 

On a side note, while I had initially preferred the LCD-X to HD800 for being more versatile, I'm coming back to HD800 every now and then because I began to feel that the LCD-X's mids sound somewhat laid-back. I don't know if it's just me, but I find the LCD-X's sound signature somewhat V-shaped, like my previously owned TH900. For me, the midrange is very important, and I prefer it to be forward-sounding than recessed. This is one area where the LCD-3 beats the LCD-X in my opinion... the LCD-X is not necessarily a more neutral sounding headphone than LCD-3 like many people say, but just a tad less warmer sounding one with stronger treble energy. The more neutral sounding HD800 seems to have better mids than LCD-X, too.

 

This is why I'm eager to try out the upcoming HE-560, and compare its midrange to that of LCD-X. I have an HE-560 pre-ordered.

 

 

It's not just you.  I'm in full agreement that the LCD-X is a u-shaped headphone, compared to other headphones and even compared to other Audeze headphones.  Its upper midrange is more recessed than the LCD-2, LCD-XC, HD650, HD600, HE-560.

 

Nevertheless I'm getting my particular LCD-X RMA'd to see if the replacement will be better sounding (if they do anything to it in the first place.) 


Edited by TMRaven - 6/13/14 at 6:52am
post #4352 of 4705
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Originally Posted by songmic View Post
 

 

So I wasn't the only one who thought so...

 

By the way, being a fan of HE-6 as I know it, did you also pre-order the HE-560? I am currently using my LCD-X with Allnic HPA-3000, but Allnic's president personally recommended HE-500 with his amp. If the HE-560 turns out to be just as enjoyable, if not more favorable than the LCD-X in terms of midrange presentation, I may end up selling the LCD-X and keep the HE-560.

 

I did not pre order the 560.  I'll let the dust settle first to make sure HiFiMan doesn't have anymore changes.  I use aftermarket cables as well, but only for ergonomics and aesthetics. 

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FWIW, I had the opportunity to audition the HE-560’s and, other than the weight, I found nothing exceptional about them. Huge disappointment.
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WOW - That the first "Huge disappointment" I've seen about the 560s.

post #4355 of 4705
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Originally Posted by leesure View Post

FWIW, I had the opportunity to audition the HE-560’s and, other than the weight, I found nothing exceptional about them. Huge disappointment.

 

That's how I felt about the PM-1s when I heard them the other day. 

post #4356 of 4705
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I sure hope the LCD-3F doesn't have recessed mids.  I've heard for a few folks now that the LCD-X does and is now being called a V shaped headphone.  

IMO, those comments are WAY off bass. And the LCD-X measure flat from 2kHz down to 20Hz and the treble is hardly "spiked" or tilted in anyway.

post #4357 of 4705
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

IMO, those comments are WAY off bass. And the LCD-X measure flat from 2kHz down to 20Hz and the treble is hardly "spiked" or tilted in anyway.

I concur!
post #4358 of 4705
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

IMO, those comments are WAY off bass. And the LCD-X measure flat from 2kHz down to 20Hz and the treble is hardly "spiked" or tilted in anyway.

Agreed. I find the X to be amazingly balanced from top to bottom.
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Measurements don't always tell the whole story about sound.  As I said earlier in the topic, the HE-400 also measures pretty flat from 20hz-2khz, but it's widely known as a u-shaped headphone.  The PM-1 is shown to have a little spike around 10khz in the IF measurements while the LCD-X is shown to have subdued treble, but in reality it's the opposite way around in subjective listening.  The Denon D2000 is shown to be supremely neutral in its IF measurements but is also known to be infamously u-shaped.   I could go on about objective measurement and subjective listening discrepancies.  

post #4360 of 4705
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Measurements don't always tell the whole story about sound.  As I said earlier in the topic, the HE-400 also measures pretty flat from 20hz-2khz, but it's widely known as a u-shaped headphone.  The PM-1 is shown to have a little spike around 10khz in the IF measurements while the LCD-X is shown to have subdued treble, but in reality it's the opposite way around in subjective listening.  The Denon D2000 is shown to be supremely neutral in its IF measurements but is also known to be infamously u-shaped.   I could go on about objective measurement and subjective listening discrepancies.  

FWIW, I was going off BOTH measurements and my own first hand experiences (many months) driving the LCD-X in my main dynamic rig (GS-X Mk2 / BDA-2). The LCD-XC are more "U" shaped to my ears than the LCD-X, but I certainly wouldn't classify either headphone as U shaped. The D7000s, yes, but that's due to some bloated bass that lingers too long, mids that are a bit pushed back and treble that can be strident. Thankfully the LCD-X/XC don't suffer from this.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/13/14 at 7:26pm
post #4361 of 4705

Hopefully Audeze returns me a neutral sounding LCD-X, otherwise I just can't take it seriously. 

post #4362 of 4705
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

WOW - That the first "Huge disappointment" I've seen about the 560s.

 

Not for me - cant recall if the other comment was from the same Head-Fier though  :D

 

All this talk of the X as a V or U-shaped headphone brings me back to the HD800 - I believe this is my endgame headphone. When I want a 'fun' headphone, I reach for my Fidelio X1 - they're lighter and more comfortable than my Audeze cans and I just love the way Philips have voiced these cans.  The X is good for about an hour - from that point I have to make a decision re HD800 vs X1. 

post #4363 of 4705
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Measurements don't always tell the whole story about sound.  As I said earlier in the topic, the HE-400 also measures pretty flat from 20hz-2khz, but it's widely known as a u-shaped headphone.  The PM-1 is shown to have a little spike around 10khz in the IF measurements while the LCD-X is shown to have subdued treble, but in reality it's the opposite way around in subjective listening.  The Denon D2000 is shown to be supremely neutral in its IF measurements but is also known to be infamously u-shaped.   I could go on about objective measurement and subjective listening discrepancies.  

Thing is the X doesn't sound remotely U shaped either.
post #4364 of 4705

I had pretty bad neck aches and top of the head pressure pain for the first couple months of using the X and XC all day at work and after.  Recently I don't get any of that anymore happy to say.  Think my neck must have strengthened up and the velour also seems to have helped across the top of my head.  no longer get those red pad marks on my head and around my ears.

post #4365 of 4705
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Originally Posted by groovyd View Post
 

I had pretty bad neck aches and top of the head pressure pain for the first couple months of using the X and XC all day at work and after.  Recently I don't get any of that anymore happy to say.  Think my neck must have strengthened up and the velour also seems to have helped across the top of my head.  no longer get those red pad marks on my head and around my ears.

 

I just need to visit the workplace where you can wear large, open headphones all day at work - even IEMs were a bone of contention with one of my bosses as he couldnt easily get someone's attention without resorting to IM. I absolutely loathe the open office concept - partitions may have had their downsides but it was so much easier to just burrow into the task at hand (I was a code cutter for most of my working life) without any distractions - someone wearing a pair of LCD-X in an open office environment would (at the very least) be a visual distraction. Of course, if you're in a position where you can call the shots none of that matters - more power to you. 

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