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Yeah, pretty surprised myself. So, you r still selling the X?

 

I have 2 Xs so selling one is not a big deal to me :)

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I actually find myself wishing I had more high-quality acoustic music in my collection than I do when I put the HD800s on and absolutely nothing I've heard can touch them for holographic sound in any form of video, including games. Still the only Sennheiser cans I own or am prepared to own - that audition drew a line straight through at least 4 other TOTL candidates and a host of lesser cans. The LCD-X is very different for me - more instantly likeable but ultimately I believe the HD800s are the headphones with the greatest scope for improvement with a better source and amp than I currently own (Hugo/Taurus). 

 

Do you still believe the HD800 will stretch better with better source? Yours is $4000+ already bro. Which one do you prefer with your CURRENT rig? IMHO future upgrade is considerable but not as important as present. No one can guarantee a more expensive source can make it shines better, just the hope :)

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Yes, I do believe it, particularly when people in the Hugo thread start talking DACs that I know would cost the best part of 10K landed in the US.  We all gasped when Sennheiser revealed the sticker on the HD800 - I now see them as one of the great bargains in audio. Faced with a choice between the KEF LS50 and the HD800, I chose the latter because I knew my listening room would always mean speakers will be the poorest VFM and I havent regretted that decision yet. My PM6005/Bronze BX-2 rig sits idle most of the time despite the fact that it sounds good - it just isnt in the same league as my headphone combinations. 

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Do you still believe the HD800 will stretch better with better source? Yours is $4000+ already bro. Which one do you prefer with your CURRENT rig? IMHO future upgrade is considerable but not as important as present. No one can guarantee a more expensive source can make it shines better, just the hope :)

 

I used to hate HD800 a couple years ago, but that was before I got to listen to it with TOTL amps that could really tap into its true potential. The maxed-out Eddie Current ZDSE was superb with HD800, and so was the Bakoon HPA-21, but the best I've heard it with is my current Allnic HPA-3000 amp ($3,800). I've heard several seasoned listeners say that the ecp L-2 and GS-X mk2 (former of which is discontinued, sadly) are the end-game amps for the HD800, so I'm really looking forward to trying them out someday.

 

And surprisingly, if well driven, the HD800 starts excelling in other genres, not just classical or jazz. Although I would still take my LCD-X for rock and heavy metal. ;)

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Yes, I do believe it, particularly when people in the Hugo thread start talking DACs that I know would cost the best part of 10K landed in the US.  We all gasped when Sennheiser revealed the sticker on the HD800 - I now see them as one of the great bargains in audio. Faced with a choice between the KEF LS50 and the HD800, I chose the latter because I knew my listening room would always mean speakers will be the poorest VFM and I havent regretted that decision yet. My PM6005/Bronze BX-2 rig sits idle most of the time despite the fact that it sounds good - it just isnt in the same league as my headphone combinations. 

 

 

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I used to hate HD800 a couple years ago, but that was before I got to listen to it with TOTL amps that could really tap into its true potential. The maxed-out Eddie Current ZDSE was superb with HD800, and so was the Bakoon HPA-21, but the best I've heard it with is my current Allnic HPA-3000 amp ($3,800). I've heard several seasoned listeners say that the ecp L-2 and GS-X mk2 (former of which is discontinued, sadly) are the end-game amps for the HD800, so I'm really looking forward to trying them out someday.

 

And surprisingly, if well driven, the HD800 starts excelling in other genres, not just classical or jazz. Although I would still take my LCD-X for rock and heavy metal. ;)

 

So with your current dacs/amps, is the HD800 a completely winner compare to the LCD-X or each excels in different genres? And how does the LCD-X scale compare to the HD800?

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So with your current dacs/amps, is the HD800 a completely winner compare to the LCD-X or each excels in different genres? And how does the LCD-X scale compare to the HD800?

 

No idea how it scales as I dont have the other amps but in my current headphone rig I'd still have to go with the LCD-X for a lot of the harder stuff - I listen to a lot of different metal genres but it basically breaks down to death metal vs classic metal like Maiden - and the HD800 for guitar virtuosos like Joe Satriani and John Petrucci. Prog rock is a bit tougher, being such a broad church, but overall I still prefer the HD800 for most music that is heavily instrumental. 

 

If I had to take a 'backgrade' with either headphone, it would be the LCD-X : much easier to drive and they sound good straight out of the box, but I still have issues with the comfort level. 

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No idea how it scales as I dont have the other amps but in my current headphone rig I'd still have to go with the LCD-X for a lot of the harder stuff - I listen to a lot of different metal genres but it basically breaks down to death metal vs classic metal like Maiden - and the HD800 for guitar virtuosos like Joe Satriani and John Petrucci. Prog rock is a bit tougher, being such a broad church, but overall I still prefer the HD800 for most music that is heavily instrumental. 

If I had to take a 'backgrade' with either headphone, it would be the LCD-X : much easier to drive and they sound good straight out of the box, but I still have issues with the comfort level. 

Interesting to note that the X does well with death metal. My XC does great with death, black, all manner of metal actually.
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I used to hate HD800 a couple years ago, but that was before I got to listen to it with TOTL amps that could really tap into its true potential. The maxed-out Eddie Current ZDSE was superb with HD800, and so was the Bakoon HPA-21, but the best I've heard it with is my current Allnic HPA-3000 amp ($3,800). I've heard several seasoned listeners say that the ecp L-2 and GS-X mk2 (former of which is discontinued, sadly) are the end-game amps for the HD800, so I'm really looking forward to trying them out someday.

 

And surprisingly, if well driven, the HD800 starts excelling in other genres, not just classical or jazz. Although I would still take my LCD-X for rock and heavy metal. ;)

 

So with your current dacs/amps, is the HD800 a completely winner compare to the LCD-X or each excels in different genres? And how does the LCD-X scale compare to the HD800?

 

The HD800 is not a complete winner, but each excels in different genres.

 

On a side note, while I had initially preferred the LCD-X to HD800 for being more versatile, I'm coming back to HD800 every now and then because I began to feel that the LCD-X's mids sound somewhat laid-back. I don't know if it's just me, but I find the LCD-X's sound signature somewhat V-shaped, like my previously owned TH900. For me, the midrange is very important, and I prefer it to be forward-sounding than recessed. This is one area where the LCD-3 beats the LCD-X in my opinion... the LCD-X is not necessarily a more neutral sounding headphone than LCD-3 like many people say, but just a tad less warmer sounding one with stronger treble energy. The more neutral sounding HD800 seems to have better mids than LCD-X, too.

 

This is why I'm eager to try out the upcoming HE-560, and compare its midrange to that of LCD-X. I have an HE-560 pre-ordered.

post #4344 of 5408
I have a LCD-3F (belong to a friend) at the moment with me, and I felt that my LCD-X mids slightly more forward though than LCD-3F. Maybe due to unit variation?

But agreed with your comment regarding mids of HD800. I also prefer the mids of HD800 to both LCD. Center image of HD800 is really nice indeed.
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I have a LCD-3F (belong to a friend) at the moment with me, and I felt that my LCD-X mids slightly more forward though than LCD-3F. Maybe due to unit variation?

But agreed with your comment regarding mids of HD800. I also prefer the mids of HD800 to both LCD. Center image of HD800 is really nice indeed.

 

Maybe because your LCD-3F is Fazor'd? The LCD-X is Fazor'd by default so maybe the LCD-3's sound signature became more LCD-X-like, in a way. I was talking about non-Fazor LCD-3, and if the LCD-3F's mids is even more recessed than that of LCD-X, I have a feeling I'm not going to like the LCD-3F as much as non-Fazor LCD-3.

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Originally Posted by songmic View Post

Maybe because your LCD-3F is Fazor'd? The LCD-X is Fazor'd by default so maybe the LCD-3's sound signature became more LCD-X-like, in a way. I was talking about non-Fazor LCD-3, and if the LCD-3F's mids is even more recessed than that of LCD-X, I have a feeling I'm not going to like the LCD-3F as much as non-Fazor LCD-3.

Maybe. This LCD-3 was an old one, and just recently being Fazor. But as far as I remember, when I a/b before being fazor, this pair sound still more laid back than the X. But I also remember this pair, eventhough laidback, but it's more creamier in the mids, compare to the X.

I think based on your preference earlier, LCD-X (beside hd800) is more suitable for you. But wouldn't hurt if you can borrow LCD-3 to try on your setup.
Edited by jsgraha - 6/13/14 at 3:03am
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I sure hope the LCD-3F doesn't have recessed mids.  I've heard for a few folks now that the LCD-X does and is now being called a V shaped headphone.  

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I sure hope the LCD-3F doesn't have recessed mids.  I've heard for a few folks now that the LCD-X does and is now being called a V shaped headphone.  

 

So I wasn't the only one who thought so...

 

By the way, being a fan of HE-6 as I know it, did you also pre-order the HE-560? I am currently using my LCD-X with Allnic HPA-3000, but Allnic's president personally recommended HE-500 with his amp. If the HE-560 turns out to be just as enjoyable, if not more favorable than the LCD-X in terms of midrange presentation, I may end up selling the LCD-X and keep the HE-560.

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In my setup, the LCD-X with the balanced stock cable was slightly laid back compared to the HE6 hardwired with the balanced Zeus 22 cable. Before getting an aftermarket cable for the X, I preferred the HE6 to the X. After getting my Double Helix Complement 2 balanced XLR cable for the X, the mids are definitely more forward. I now prefer the X over the HE6. The DHC Complement 2 makes a great improvement in detail, bass and transient attack. Soundstaging and imaging are also improved by the Complement 2 over the stock cable. I think the balanced stock X cable makes the sound a bit polite. A well matched cable to the system the X is used in really makes a nice improvement in the overall sound quality.
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Originally Posted by songmic View Post
 

 

The HD800 is not a complete winner, but each excels in different genres.

 

On a side note, while I had initially preferred the LCD-X to HD800 for being more versatile, I'm coming back to HD800 every now and then because I began to feel that the LCD-X's mids sound somewhat laid-back. I don't know if it's just me, but I find the LCD-X's sound signature somewhat V-shaped, like my previously owned TH900. For me, the midrange is very important, and I prefer it to be forward-sounding than recessed. This is one area where the LCD-3 beats the LCD-X in my opinion... the LCD-X is not necessarily a more neutral sounding headphone than LCD-3 like many people say, but just a tad less warmer sounding one with stronger treble energy. The more neutral sounding HD800 seems to have better mids than LCD-X, too.

 

This is why I'm eager to try out the upcoming HE-560, and compare its midrange to that of LCD-X. I have an HE-560 pre-ordered.

 

 

It's not just you.  I'm in full agreement that the LCD-X is a u-shaped headphone, compared to other headphones and even compared to other Audeze headphones.  Its upper midrange is more recessed than the LCD-2, LCD-XC, HD650, HD600, HE-560.

 

Nevertheless I'm getting my particular LCD-X RMA'd to see if the replacement will be better sounding (if they do anything to it in the first place.) 


Edited by TMRaven - 6/13/14 at 6:52am
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