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post #3196 of 5039

The hype trains are huge for both these and the K812's.  How do they really compare to each other?  

 

For those who own both - would you agrre with what Steve said here:

 

"The Audeze LCD X headphones have a warmer and richer tonal balance than the K812s; the LCD-X's sound has more weight to it. The K812s' sound is livelier, so subtle dynamic shadings and every cymbal shimmer sounds a little different from the next. The vocals on Robert Plant & Alison Krauss' "Raising Sand" CD sound more natural on the K812s, and I was more aware of their breathing and vocal phrasing. The LCD X was less immediate and present. It's a close contest, and I'm sure some listeners will prefer the LCD X for its fuller tone, but I love the K812's clarity and wide-open sound."

post #3197 of 5039

Whoa...I thought the K812 were just replacement K702's, then I saw the price.  :eek:

post #3198 of 5039
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post
 

 

I cannot agree. I prefer the HD800 in nearly all genres because it sounds much more realistic and not emphasized to the warm side.

Don't get me wrong. LCD-X is a great headphone but for me not on the same level of HD800 or K812.

What are your thoughts on K812 vs HD800?

post #3199 of 5039
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Originally Posted by Articnoise View Post
 

I’m sorry to hear that you aren’t happy with the sound on your x driven by the solo. I don’t have LCD-x but have the LCD3 and Hifiman He 500 and the sound from Graham Slee Solo ULD has never been shouty, dry and grainy, not even close.

 

The amp is smooth, a little tub sounded (in a good way), pretty neutral and have a nice mid. Better mids then the Soloist IMO. It isn’t very powerful thought, so not the best synergy with the 3. I don’t know how it par with the x, but I find it hard to believe that it should sound shouty if you don’t play very loud. So do you have the same problem then playing on lower volumes and what’s your setup?  

 

 

I think Solo is great amp indeed, very neutral, analog like and non-fatiguing sound. But for some reason with LCD-X the midrange (singing voice frequencies) has some peaking. Some times less and some times more. Not quite sure if it's related to how long the amp has been powered on. It might (also) be related to volume - at low volume the sound is more tolerable. 

 

Actually I heard the same issue at store when listening LCD-2 with this amp few months earlier.

 

My other setup is new laptop and John Kenny Ciunas DAC. And for comparison BeyerDynamic T1 sounds perfect to me if forgetting the too high treble level and missing sub bass.

post #3200 of 5039
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Originally Posted by Articnoise View Post
 

Now I’m confused, the solo sounds smoother after been let on for long time. Graham’s advice is to let it be on and only switch it off then not to be used for long time. Your problem seems very strange to me. Do you have any other amp you can try it with or a hifi dealer nearby?


My experience is that it needs to be on for half an our to get warm, but after two days or so the sound starts to change a little and i prefer to turn it off for a while. Hmm, now that i think of it, the problem might be my DAC too. Have to ask John Kenny what he recommends...

post #3201 of 5039

Okay, if I was you I would try another amp with more power to make sure it’s not because it is under powered.

 

My experience is that the solo needs to be on for a few hours before it sound its best.

post #3202 of 5039
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Originally Posted by Miksu View Post
 

 

I think Solo is great amp indeed, very neutral, analog like and non-fatiguing sound. But for some reason with LCD-X the midrange (singing voice frequencies) has some peaking. Some times less and some times more. Not quite sure if it's related to how long the amp has been powered on. It might (also) be related to volume - at low volume the sound is more tolerable. 

 

Actually I heard the same issue at store when listening LCD-2 with this amp few months earlier.

 

My other setup is new laptop and John Kenny Ciunas DAC. And for comparison BeyerDynamic T1 sounds perfect to me if forgetting the too high treble level and missing sub bass.

If it’s not because of too little power in the Solo and the fact that you like it with the T1, it is possible that you just don’t like the Audeze sound or at least the X.

post #3203 of 5039
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Originally Posted by RazorJack View Post
 

 

Thanks for your posting your thoughts on comparisons between the T1 and LCD-X, Focker! 

 

But is this also with the comfort factor taken into account?

 

I'm a weirdo...I love the comfort of the LCDs lol

 

The T1s are more comfortable, but I don't find the LCDs UNcomfortable at all. But yeah, I've been spending a lot of time going back and forth between them the last two weeks, and it's just no contest. But again, that's not mean to say the T1s aren't good headphones...they've been my main flagship for two years and I will continue to enjoy them very much. But if I'm being honest, there is just nothing that they do as well or better than the Xs...and that really does surprise me. 

post #3204 of 5039
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post
 

 

I'm a weirdo...I love the comfort of the LCDs lol

 

The T1s are more comfortable, but I don't find the LCDs UNcomfortable at all. But yeah, I've been spending a lot of time going back and forth between them the last two weeks, and it's just no contest. But again, that's not mean to say the T1s aren't good headphones...they've been my main flagship for two years and I will continue to enjoy them very much. But if I'm being honest, there is just nothing that they do as well or better than the Xs...and that really does surprise me. 

I agree, LCDs to me, didn;t feel as heavy as other people claimed...It is actually quite comfortable and I don;t really feel it is on my head. 

 

HE-500 felt like more heavier than LCDs and really uncomfortable for long time listening.

post #3205 of 5039
As I posted earlier, my initial plan for reviewing my new LCD X was to compare them to my LCD 2's using my Mjolnir/Gungnir stack. The Mjolnir allows two headphones to play at the same time so by switching quickly back and forth between the two I could get a fairly accurate picture of how they actually differed or if one was significantly better than the other in some meaningful way. For clarity, my LCD 2's were purchased in May of 2012 and they are rev. 2. I'm using silver dragon cables for the three pin XLR balanced out and the Audeze 4 pin balanced headphone cable for the single balanced out. I'm switching the cables back and forth between the headphones to account for any difference there. My music is being streamed from my Apple IMac using Itunes and Audirvana. For the really detail oriented, I'm using a one meter Nordost blue Heaven USB to the Gungnir and the Schitt 9" XLR cables from the Gugnir to the Mjolnir. The LCD X is more efficient so I know the X's will be louder than my 2's.

So...how did it go?

Folks, this fight was over in seconds...I'm at a loss for words as to how to articulate just HOW much better the X really is. Soundstage, separation, clarity, definition, smoothness-- you name it and in my opinion, the X just has it all over my 2's. It's really that obvious. It's like that difference you experience when you get around to cleaning the inside of your car windshield. I thought I could see just fine before and suddenly everything is cleaner, brighter and visibility is crystal clear. Another by product is that one can listen at lower levels so they are also much less tiring over a long session.

To be clear, I am only comparing to my LCD 2's; later rev. 2's may be better or perhaps I don't have a great pair of 2's. I also plan to do comparisons with my Wadia 121 and Burson HA-160D but at this point I'm inclined to think the results will be similar.

Hands down, the LCD X is absolutely worth every penny and really is that much better than my LCD 2's.
post #3206 of 5039
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Originally Posted by MaJoMax View Post
 

I agree, LCDs to me, didn;t feel as heavy as other people claimed...It is actually quite comfortable and I don;t really feel it is on my head. 

 

I can always feel the LCD-2 on my head when listening but they only bother it occasionally. My neck on the other end never gets used to them. Since I've owned them, my neck will get pretty sore from time to time. I'm OK then all of a sudden I get a bad pain when I bend it. The LCD-X is even heavier. Yay.

 

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Originally Posted by Gadget67 View Post

To be clear, I am only comparing to my LCD 2's; later rev. 2's may be better or perhaps I don't have a great pair of 2's. I also plan to do comparisons with my Wadia 121 and Burson HA-160D but at this point I'm inclined to think the results will be similar.

Hands down, the LCD X is absolutely worth every penny and really is that much better than my LCD 2's.

 

My Rev. 2 was purchased December 2011. Mine are wonderful and I am sure yours are too. Audeze simply kept at it and made what was already awesome even better. Thanks for posting your experience. No doubt what my next move is.


Edited by Deverica Wolf - 2/20/14 at 5:13pm
post #3207 of 5039
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Originally Posted by Gadget67 View Post

As I posted earlier, my initial plan for reviewing my new LCD X was to compare them to my LCD 2's using my Mjolnir/Gungnir stack. The Mjolnir allows two headphones to play at the same time so by switching quickly back and forth between the two I could get a fairly accurate picture of how they actually differed or if one was significantly better than the other in some meaningful way. For clarity, my LCD 2's were purchased in May of 2012 and they are rev. 2. I'm using silver dragon cables for the three pin XLR balanced out and the Audeze 4 pin balanced headphone cable for the single balanced out. I'm switching the cables back and forth between the headphones to account for any difference there. My music is being streamed from my Apple IMac using Itunes and Audirvana. For the really detail oriented, I'm using a one meter Nordost blue Heaven USB to the Gungnir and the Schitt 9" XLR cables from the Gugnir to the Mjolnir. The LCD X is more efficient so I know the X's will be louder than my 2's.

So...how did it go?

Folks, this fight was over in seconds...I'm at a loss for words as to how to articulate just HOW much better the X really is. Soundstage, separation, clarity, definition, smoothness-- you name it and in my opinion, the X just has it all over my 2's. It's really that obvious. It's like that difference you experience when you get around to cleaning the inside of your car windshield. I thought I could see just fine before and suddenly everything is cleaner, brighter and visibility is crystal clear. Another by product is that one can listen at lower levels so they are also much less tiring over a long session.

To be clear, I am only comparing to my LCD 2's; later rev. 2's may be better or perhaps I don't have a great pair of 2's. I also plan to do comparisons with my Wadia 121 and Burson HA-160D but at this point I'm inclined to think the results will be similar.

Hands down, the LCD X is absolutely worth every penny and really is that much better than my LCD 2's.


my thoughts are in total agreement with you !

its dark, or warm enough to be different from my grado's, but not overly so, hit gets it just right to me

as we speak, i'm listening to the x out of the wadia 121, outstanding ! the wadia's headamp is really good

post #3208 of 5039

I own a LCD-3.  I love it.  Is the X different enough to own both if you could afford it- or are they 98% the same with a minor tweak?

post #3209 of 5039
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Originally Posted by rsbrsvp View Post
 

I own a LCD-3.  I love it.  Is the X different enough to own both if you could afford it- or are they 98% the same with a minor tweak?


The LCD-X and LCD-3 have different signatures--the differences aren't minor. If I had the money, I wouldn't mind owning both, but I'd still rather have the LCD-X with good SS and tube amps for different signatures. However, if the cash was really flowing, I'd get an LCD-3, too.

post #3210 of 5039

i owned both an sold the 3 , i dont miss it at all . im so happy with the X

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