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Ordered the LCD-XC 

Could'nt resist a closed back Audeze. 


Edited by SHAHZADA123 - 10/21/13 at 7:55pm
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So I'm trying to understand why the recent impressions are that the XC is significantly more bassy than the X and LCD-2 (which I found very warm). Earlier impressions quoted that the sound was more balanced - definitely a bit confusing.

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

So I'm trying to understand why the recent impressions are that the XC is significantly more bassy than the X and LCD-2 (which I found very warm). Earlier impressions quoted that the sound was more balanced - definitely a bit confusing.

Probably because a lot of the impressions are more like conjectures :-)
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I suspect they will always work best with high-current amps, especially with complex music, but as many amp designers are heading that way it will be less of an issue. There's always that thread though about using speaker amps for headphones, where the guys have been trying the inexpensive Emotiva amps.


I'm curious as to what you define as a "high-current" amp. Usually such an amp would be associated with a difficult to drive load where the reactive elements result in major frequency dependent impedance variations. You don't have that here.

 

The LCD's have  a high, flat, almost totally resistive impedance curve. They are a very easy load for an amp. Electrically, this makes them a very good match for a small single-ended tube amp, which most probably wouldn't consider a "high-current" design.

 

Personal preference is of course another issue entirely.

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If people reading this thread have not already done so, I suggest reading Asr's post here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/685524/canjam-at-rmaf-october-2013-impressions-thread/165#post_9907290

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^ gotta wait for more impressions.

 

his reviews of LCD-2 and LCD-3 in the past weren't too positive and didn't exactly match up with everyone elses, so waiting to see what other people say as well.

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^ gotta wait for more impressions.

his reviews of LCD-2 and LCD-3 in the past weren't too positive and didn't exactly match up with everyone elses, so waiting to see what other people say as well.

+1
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

^ gotta wait for more impressions.

 

his reviews of LCD-2 and LCD-3 in the past weren't too positive and didn't exactly match up with everyone elses, so waiting to see what other people say as well.

 

That's weird.  Doesn't Asr own LCD 2?

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His feedback seems all over the place, to me. He says that he's certain there are more differences among the phones but he didn't have time to really do any more comparisons, and then says the X and the Xc "weren't all that great" and that headphones shouldn't cost more than $1000. 

 

:confused:

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I wish a lot of things cost less money, but feel that the LCD-2 is a very good value. The quality of the sound is significantly better than less expensive headphones I've tried, the build quality and materials are superb, and the support is rock solid. I don't see any equivalent products at significantly lower price points. I just wish there was a DC metro area dealer that carried Audeze products so I could audition the LCD-X.

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Another way to look at it is to ask "is the LCD-2 appreciably better than the HD600/HD650?". Some folks think the Audezes are, some think they aren't. I'd imagine the folks who think the LCD-2/LCD-3 aren't an upgrade over the HD600/HD650 would price the Audeze's accordingly. 

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I have been using the HD650 as my reference headphones.  I think I paid $400 for those.  I compared them at CanJam to the Audeze and just broke down yesterday and ordered the LCD-X...  I can't believe I spent so much $$ on a pair of headphones, but couldn't stop thinking about them.  I don't know what it costs to make them but, for me, they just blew the HD650 out of the water.  I mean, holy cow, $1600 for a pair of headphones... After looking at the piles of equipment at the bottom of some of these posts, I don't feel QUITE as bad.  :bigsmile_face:   For me it came down to wanting the emotional response I got through listening to the Audeze bad enough to pony up.  This far away from the show in terms of time, the HD650 still sounds great, but there was some magic going on there with the Audeze that is hard to forget.

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

I suspect they will always work best with high-current amps, especially with complex music, but as many amp designers are heading that way it will be less of an issue. There's always that thread though about using speaker amps for headphones, where the guys have been trying the inexpensive Emotiva amps.


I'm curious as to what you define as a "high-current" amp. Usually such an amp would be associated with a difficult to drive load where the reactive elements result in major frequency dependent impedance variations. You don't have that here.

 

The LCD's have  a high, flat, almost totally resistive impedance curve. They are a very easy load for an amp. Electrically, this makes them a very good match for a small single-ended tube amp, which most probably wouldn't consider a "high-current" design.

 

Personal preference is of course another issue entirely.

 

That's an interesting question. I've noticed many "low power" amps, when used with LCD-whatever, cannot reliably deliver the music once it starts to get complex, with the soundstage audibly collapsing. I thought this was due to them being relatively insensitive?  So by "high power" I have been thinking lately would be amps that are still in Class A at even high listening levels when used with the Audeze cans. I admit I need to get a better understanding of this though.

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

That's an interesting question. I've noticed many "low power" amps, when used with LCD-whatever, cannot reliably deliver the music once it starts to get complex, with the soundstage audibly collapsing. I thought this was due to them being relatively insensitive?  So by "high power" I have been thinking lately would be amps that are still in Class A at even high listening levels when used with the Audeze cans. I admit I need to get a better understanding of this though.

Well I had spoken with Audeze and Taz recommend at least 1W for LCD3, preferably more. Not sure if it is less for the X.
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While 1W is recommended I spoke with king-wa and he said amps work well if not stressed at their maximum capacity, ideally working at 20% of maximum output. So maybe if you listen up to 400mW An ideal amp should have 2W? dunno

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