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post #2986 of 3851

Yes, I have been listening a lot more all evening, and I'm really liking these.  I've lowered the gain to the -6dB pm the V-200, so the volume control has a bit more play.  Still a nice full volume at 10 o'clock.  

 

I've also tried the LCD-X with my WA-2 (I'm using Tung Sol 5998s) and it's an excellent combo.  A tad less attack/impact in the bass, and a slightly warmer sound over all, which is to be expected; I like it a lot with the right recordings.  

 

Particularly revealing are some older Joni Mitchell recordings.  Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire (the original version, from 'For the Roses' is just amazing with these phones.  For me, they are an improvement on the already very good LCD-2.2; I've been listening for hours, and the only thing I'm wishing for is a few ounces less weight on my head.

post #2987 of 3851
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Originally Posted by Red Jacket Mike View Post
 

 

I don't know if these will improve with any burn in time, but they sound good right now.  

 

My experience is exactly like yours...I first fired them up out of my iPhone and the sound was pretty thin. But once I got them hooked up to an amp, holy bejeezus. And don't be surprised if they improve after about 20 hrs. I confirmed with Audeze that they do give them a little burn in time, but they said they have report after report of people saying they opened up even more with additional head time. For me it was about 20 hrs. Call it the drivers burning in, call it your ears adjusting, whatever...doesn't matter...they sounded better after 20 hrs, that's all I can say. 

 

I also agree that I prefer them over the HD800s and the LCD-2s, even though I was/am very fond of both. Enjoy those beautiful headphones

post #2988 of 3851

D100 arrived and sounds great... about half the output power of my HeadRoom Ultra but the sound quality is very good.  Drives the LCD-X just fine at a volume setting of 50% is comfortable and 60% is a pretty good jam volume.  Lacks a slight bit of energy in the punch but overall it is a nice unit.  Will give it a week to decide but feels like a keeper.  My guess is it will really improve the WA7 I am pairing it with which is eventually what will be driving the LCD-X.  Just wanted to make sure the headphone out could give a good show if it had to.

post #2989 of 3851

Out of any amps I have tried, this one sounds best with LCD-X (and LCD-3).

 

 

This is a local brand tube amp employing 2x 300B, 274B and 417A. This one is the most recent model using C-Core and Interstage Transformers. Tubes currently installed are stock tubes (2x Svetlana Rectifier, 2X Electro-Harmonic 300B and 2X Raytheon 5842), but even with stock tubes, to my ears, this amp performs a lot better than my WA6Se with fancy tubes and better than Bakoon HPA-21). With proper tubes (something like Sophia 300B + 274B and WE714A), this amp sounds better than any of Woo's offering, balanced or not.
 

Size comparison with WA6Se. The PSU itself is larger and a lot heavier than both WA6Se combined.

 

To me, with this amp, LCD-X is perfect. It retains everything I like about LCD-3, plus those beautiful treble extension. With Wa6Se, regardless of which tubes I used (admittedly, I haven't tried anything like WE274B) , I still feel that the amp is lacking, especially in mid and low-end, but with this amp, everything is a lot better. It's like listening to a 500$ dac with one set of headphones and amp, and then replacing that 500$ dac with a 3,250$ QB9 DSD: everything is kinda similar (since you still use the same headphones+amp), but at the same time, a lot better. I know that it may sound exaggerated (well, I bet it is), but that's how I really feel comparing Wa6Se with this amp.


Edited by PrTv - 2/11/14 at 9:05am
post #2990 of 3851

Wow that a beautiful amp!

 

Good paring with Audeze you say. How much does it cost and do you have any specification on it?

post #2991 of 3851
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Originally Posted by PrTv View Post
 

Out of any amps I have tried, this one sounds best with LCD-X (and LCD-3).

 

 

This is a local brand tube amp employing 2x 300B, 274B and 417A. This one is the most recent model using C-Core and Interstage Transformers. Tubes currently installed are stock tubes (2x Svetlana Rectifier, 2X Electro-Harmonic 300B and 2X Raytheon 5842), but even with stock tubes, to my ears, this amp performs a lot better than my WA6Se with fancy tubes and better than Bakoon HPA-21). With proper tubes (something like Sophia 300B + 274B and WE714A), this amp sounds better than any of Woo's offering, balanced or not.
 

Size comparison with WA6Se. The PSU itself is larger and a lot heavier than both WA6Se combined.

 

To me, with this amp, LCD-X is perfect. It retains everything I like about LCD-3, plus those beautiful treble extension. With Wa6Se, regardless of which tubes I used (admittedly, I haven't tried anything like WE274B) , I still feel that the amp is lacking, especially in mid and low-end, but with this amp, everything is a lot better. It's like listening to a 500$ dac with one set of headphones and amp, and then replacing that 500$ dac with a 3,250$ QB9 DSD: everything is kinda similar (since you still use the same headphones+amp), but at the same time, a lot better. I know that it may sound exaggerated (well, I bet it is), but that's how I really feel comparing Wa6Se with this amp.

300B tube-based amp pairing up well with the LCD-X?  Wouldn't the Xs sound too syrupy with a 300B tube amp?  Aren't those amps supposed to be of the tubey variety?

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300B tube-based amp pairing up well with the LCD-X?  Wouldn't the Xs sound too syrupy with a 300B tube amp?  Aren't those amps supposed to be of the tubey variety?

 

Not in my opinion ... 300B's even with the LCD-2's sound AMAZING.  A good 300b is not actually too "syrupy" - more like astoundingly clear and transparent, with a liquid sweetness which is not excessive - at least not to my ears.

 

post #2993 of 3851
I'm using 300b's with ECBA and its not syrupy at all.
post #2994 of 3851
biggrin.gif ^ I thought of the ECBA straight away. Transparent, neutral and highly resolving with exceptional micro-dynamics from the impressions I've seen!
post #2995 of 3851
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Originally Posted by hop ham View Post

I'm using 300b's with ECBA and its not syrupy at all.

I would consider the LCD-X almost the polar opposite or the HD-800s.  300b tube amps are reported to match perfectly with the HD800s since they provide the warmth that they lack; now, the LCD-Xs are already darker-sounding and much warmer than the HD-800s.  Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume, then, that the 300B + LCD-X combo would be too syrupy or overly warm?  I've never actually listened to a 300B amp, I'm just going from what I've read in the head-fi threads.

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I haven't heard any 300B amps either, but right now I have the LCD-Xs hooked up to my Woo WA-2.  I'm listening to Patricia Barber's 'Smash' and the warmth is definitely there; more so than with the V-200, which I think is a bit on the warm side of neutral.  The WA-2 isn't too much, though; acoustic piano sounds really good, as does the string bass.

 

 It will certainly be a pleasurable experience deciding which recordings will sound best with which amp.  But so far, LCD-X with V-200 and with WA-2 are both great combinations, although noticeably different sounding.

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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

I would consider the LCD-X almost the polar opposite or the HD-800s.  300b tube amps are reported to match perfectly with the HD800s since they provide the warmth that they lack; now, the LCD-Xs are already darker-sounding and much warmer than the HD-800s.  Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume, then, that the 300B + LCD-X combo would be too syrupy or overly warm?  I've never actually listened to a 300B amp, I'm just going from what I've read in the head-fi threads.

I am using it with my WA5 300B and its anything but syrupy. The tonality is what you would hear in live music with the instruments.  The WA7 was also excellent with this headphone but the WA5 really gets the most out of what the X has to offer. The tubes I use were carefully selected for my amp and very happy with the sound.  If you get a chance listen to what  300B can offer .They are really special tubes.


Edited by Frank I - 2/12/14 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

300B tube-based amp pairing up well with the LCD-X?  Wouldn't the Xs sound too syrupy with a 300B tube amp?  Aren't those amps supposed to be of the tubey variety?

 

I think tube is only one factor when it comes to how the amp would sound, and another thing that can’t be ignored is how the amp is designed and other accompanying tubes. For me, with this particular amp, I didn’t feel that the "LCD-X + Cardas Clear + this amp" results in over syrupy or too tubey in any sense. Though I don’t have much experience when it comes to tube amplifier, I know how “over-syrupy” sounds like. It’s like when I plugged my HD650 (with Equinox cable) into WA2 (with stock tubes). It’s very slow paced and too emphasis on the mid, making me fall asleep. That’s not to say that WA2 is a bad amp, IMO, it’s just that it may not be the best match for HD650.

 

That’s why I bought the WA6Se back then, which is said to be more “SS Like” amp.

 

Comparing the WA6Se (with various Rec tubes e.g. the Princess, GZ34 metal base, stock, etc and various drive tubes e.g. 6FD7, 6DR7, etc) with the this Minute 300B amp (stock tubes), I found that the 300B tubes with this particular amp, is even faster than WA6Se, whilst maintaining the charm of 300B tubes (excellent mid-range and good treble). I also found that Bass is also better; it goes deeper and more lean (in a good way). Soundstage (headstage) is wider and I can clearly hear new instruments. For example, in one track that I’m familiar with, I can clearly hear a violin playing along the track, and when I switch back to WA6Se, I can somewhat identify that there’s a violin playing but its presence is way, way more subtle; so subtle that I couldn’t pick it up before knowing it’s there with the 300B. This is only with stock tubes and I think this amp has much more potential with tube rolling.

 

Well that’s my opinion with music that I like (trio jazz, big band jazz, vocal jazz, country, bossa-nova and standard pop and most of my music files are 24bit or SACD images). I don’t know how this amp would fare with other types of music like classical, but will give it a try soon and compare it with my WA6Se.

 

FWIW, I also tried HD650 with this 300B amp, and, even with a considerably dark HD650, the HD650 performs better with this 300B than with the Woo (again bass is deeper/tighter with more control and treble is better; mid seems to be very sweet without being too meaty).

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Perfect cable for the LCD-X :beerchug:

 

post #3000 of 3851

Damn, that is nice :) Steve Eddy should get into fashion after he's done making cables, he sure knows how to make things look nice

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