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post #2836 of 4569

Hey Getwicked, you can still use your grace m903 as your dac, just use the line out 1 rca's to an hp amp. For recording you might want to stay away from a tube amp because the tubes can color the audio a bit depending on the ones used. I used the Schiit Mjolnir with my Lcd3 and liked it a lot, some have commented it works well with the lcdx as well. However i dont have direct experience with the lcdx so ill let others take it from here

post #2837 of 4569

Congrats, GetWicked! You used a word that I never thought I'd use with regard to headphones, but so far these things really are damn near "perfect" for me. 

 

Enjoy those beauties!

post #2838 of 4569

Just received my LCD-X and beginning my evaluation.  I've owned LCD-2 and 3's and sold both.  They both exhibited a dark and laid back SQ that belied their cost and reputation.  In addition the midrange moved the soundstage back too far for my tastes and the width and depth was constricted.  This with good sources such as a Woo WA6SE, Benchmark DAC2 HGC and Grace M903 along with a Mjolnir.  I decided to try once again and try the LCD-X.  My initial impression is that Audeze has listened and with the LCD-X has corrected much of the shortcomings of their previous models.  Enjoying the improvement across the entire spectrum and soundstage.  The X may be the charm...for new purchasers beware, my balanced cable was omitted but a call to Audeze solved that.

 

OK, further listening reveals a MAJOR improvement, "sparkle" has returned, soundstage depth/height and a more forward presentation...everything I was complaining about in the former models.  Looks like these are keepers!


Edited by amham - 2/1/14 at 6:39am
post #2839 of 4569

Did someone tried the LCD-X with Progressive Rock and Metal music ?

 

I'm really curious to hear how they sound versus the LCD-2 with bands like Porcupine Tree, Tool, Dream Theater, Rush, Anathema and Opeth ?

 

Thanks

 

Patrick


Edited by pfillion - 2/2/14 at 8:44am
post #2840 of 4569

Any comment about after-market cables?

 

So far, I tried these cables with LCD-X:

- Cardas Clear

- Moon Audio - Silver Dragon Premium (with Furutech Rhodium termination)

- ALO Reference 16

 

The headphones was mainly used with my main amp, Woo WA6Se (with good tubes like GZ34 Metal base and Sylvania 6EW7 Fat bottle, etc) and I also tried it with a custom made tube amp that was designed especially for Audeze (it's a huge, dual 300B amp that sounds better with LCD-3 and LCD-X, than any amp I have heard so far (including Woo 5 and Bakoon). The main source is Ayre QB9-DSD and I also tried Ayre DX-5 SACD Player.

 

For the length of 10Ft, the most expensive cable is ALO Ref 16, costing $979, next is Cardas at $656 and Moon Audio is the most affordable option at $520.

 

Out of the three, I must say that, believe it or not, ALO sounds worst. I couldn't believe my ears when I first put on the headphones. I borrowed this cable from my friend, so I thought the cable might not have sufficient burn in time so I allowed it another 200 hours to settle in, but the result was the same. Sound is muddy and I think it lacks impact and detail whatsoever. It's like listening through a thick sheet of cloth.

 

Switching in the Silver Dragon, wow, what a difference. The presentation is now much more clear and it's like a curtain is lifted. At first I'm afraid that using a silver cable with a relatively "bright" LCD-X would result in overly bright presentation, but the result was opposite!  High is clear, mid is smooth and bass hits hard with authority without being boomy. This cable really brings out the best in LCD-X.

 

Then comes the Cardas. To me, it maintains the good of the Silver Dragon but with more emphasis on mid. Bass is not as good as Silver but mid is really, really sweet. Listening to Radka Toneff's the Moon is a Harsh Mistress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1FE4CdOveM with the Cardas is mesmerizing! Her voice is amazingly rendered with the Cardas and I also love the piano.

 

I was torn between the Cardas and Silver Dragon, and finally decided to keep the Cardas as I mainly listen to audiophile vocal, but I think Silver Dragon is equally good and more balance overall.

 

The price may be a bit on a high side but I think it's well worth it.

post #2841 of 4569

Just ordered a 4' Q-audio cable will let you know... For me the incentive was really about just getting something short since I sit less then arms reach from my amp.

post #2842 of 4569
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Originally Posted by PrTv View Post
 

Any comment about after-market cables?

 

So far, I tried these cables with LCD-X:

- Cardas Clear

- Moon Audio - Silver Dragon Premium (with Furutech Rhodium termination)

- ALO Reference 16

 

The headphones was mainly used with my main amp, Woo WA6Se (with good tubes like GZ34 Metal base and Sylvania 6EW7 Fat bottle, etc) and I also tried it with a custom made tube amp that was designed especially for Audeze (it's a huge, dual 300B amp that sounds better with LCD-3 and LCD-X, than any amp I have heard so far (including Woo 5 and Bakoon). The main source is Ayre QB9-DSD and I also tried Ayre DX-5 SACD Player.

 

For the length of 10Ft, the most expensive cable is ALO Ref 16, costing $979, next is Cardas at $656 and Moon Audio is the most affordable option at $520.

 

Out of the three, I must say that, believe it or not, ALO sounds worst. I couldn't believe my ears when I first put on the headphones. I borrowed this cable from my friend, so I thought the cable might not have sufficient burn in time so I allowed it another 200 hours to settle in, but the result was the same. Sound is muddy and I think it lacks impact and detail whatsoever. It's like listening through a thick sheet of cloth.

 

Switching in the Silver Dragon, wow, what a difference. The presentation is now much more clear and it's like a curtain is lifted. At first I'm afraid that using a silver cable with a relatively "bright" LCD-X would result in overly bright presentation, but the result was opposite!  High is clear, mid is smooth and bass hits hard with authority without being boomy. This cable really brings out the best in LCD-X.

 

Then comes the Cardas. To me, it maintains the good of the Silver Dragon but with more emphasis on mid. Bass is not as good as Silver but mid is really, really sweet. Listening to Radka Toneff's the Moon is a Harsh Mistress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1FE4CdOveM with the Cardas is mesmerizing! Her voice is amazingly rendered with the Cardas and I also love the piano.

 

I was torn between the Cardas and Silver Dragon, and finally decided to keep the Cardas as I mainly listen to audiophile vocal, but I think Silver Dragon is equally good and more balance overall.

 

The price may be a bit on a high side but I think it's well worth it.

Weird...I have both the ALO Ref 16 and Moon Silver dragon...the weirdness is that the ALO does wonders to the LCD-XC, but the Silver Dragon makes it sound too bright/analytical...yet, the Silver Dragon works its magic with the LCD-X while the ALO - just as you mentioned - makes them sound muddy/murky.  What a headache it is to get the best audio combinations!  I am sure that the people - even if they are just a few - who dislike the new Audezes are not pairing them up with the ideal cables or sources.

post #2843 of 4569

How could anyone possibly not like the new Audeze?!  Impossible!

post #2844 of 4569
Thanks for the info concerning the amps and how they would work with my m903's DAC.

About cables... One of the headphones that I tried in my quest for a good pair of studio headphones was the Focal Spirit Pro. it came with 2 cables, one coiled which had a 1/4" jack that unscrewed with a 1/8" jack underneath, the other cable just had an 1/8" jack. The coiled cable was thicker and gave the headphones a much louder and fuller signal, there was a huge difference in the two cables. I was surprised that there was such a difference. When I have read posts mentioning expensive cable upgrades, I have to admit, I was a bit skeptical as to whether I would notice any useful difference. I did for sure notice a difference with the two cables that came with the Focals.

I don't know if I would be willing to spend $500 or more on a cable unless I had the option to return it if it didn't perform as expected. Will the cable guys accept returns?

I think the LCD-X's sound spectacular with the stock cable, but after experiencing what I mentioned with the Focal cables I'm curious but not willing to roll the dice unless I have the option of returning them if they don't make a worthwhile improvement.

Thanks again guys for the info on the amps.
post #2845 of 4569
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Originally Posted by groovyd View Post
 

How could anyone possibly not like the new Audeze?!  Impossible!

There are some raving lunatics/cranks out there!!!

post #2846 of 4569
I listened to a lot of headphones prior to purchasing the LCD-X's and there was nothing that even came close to the sound of them for me. Not sure why someone wouldn't like them? But then again, one of the headphones that I tried was the HD 800's and instantly I knew that it would not work for me. I tried all of the top tier of Seinnheiser headphones and didn't like any of them. different strokes for different folks I guess.
post #2847 of 4569
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post

Weird...I have both the ALO Ref 16 and Moon Silver dragon...the weirdness is that the ALO does wonders to the LCD-XC, but the Silver Dragon makes it sound too bright/analytical...yet, the Silver Dragon works its magic with the LCD-X while the ALO - just as you mentioned - makes them sound muddy/murky.  What a headache it is to get the best audio combinations!  I am sure that the people - even if they are just a few - who dislike the new Audezes are not pairing them up with the ideal cables or sources.

I find it weird as well. At first I didn't believe me ears, but my friend also said the same thing (in fact, one of the main reasons he handed it to me is to get me to confirm if I agree with him that the cable is underwhelming).

FYI, the cable comes with balance termination and has to be connected to the amp through ALO's Balanced to 1/4" adaptor, but I really doubt that that adaptor could turn a good and revealing cable to a muddy mess.

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I don't know if I would be willing to spend $500 or more on a cable unless I had the option to return it if it didn't perform as expected. Will the cable guys accept returns?

I think the LCD-X's sound spectacular with the stock cable, but after experiencing what I mentioned with the Focal cables I'm curious but not willing to roll the dice unless I have the option of returning them if they don't make a worthwhile improvement.

Thanks again guys for the info on the amps.

It's difficult to quantify the sonic improvement and say whether the improvement is worth the price, but after you upgraded your source and amp, sometimes that extra investment is worth it to squeeze out that extra ounce of performance.
Edited by PrTv - 2/1/14 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by amham View Post
 

Just received my LCD-X and beginning my evaluation.  I've owned LCD-2 and 3's and sold both.  They both exhibited a dark and laid back SQ that belied their cost and reputation.  In addition the midrange moved the soundstage back too far for my tastes and the width and depth was constricted.  This with good sources such as a Woo WA6SE, Benchmark DAC2 HGC and Grace M903 along with a Mjolnir.  I decided to try once again and try the LCD-X.  My initial impression is that Audeze has listened and with the LCD-X has corrected much of the shortcomings of their previous models.  Enjoying the improvement across the entire spectrum and soundstage.  The X may be the charm...for new purchasers beware, my balanced cable was omitted but a call to Audeze solved that.

 

OK, further listening reveals a MAJOR improvement, "sparkle" has returned, soundstage depth/height and a more forward presentation...everything I was complaining about in the former models.  Looks like these are keepers!

 

Nice...sounds like there is a very high degree of corroboration among those of us who have picked up these beauties. And I have to agree, these are much improved over the LCD-2s...much more than I anticipated. Definitely a major improvement. 

post #2849 of 4569
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They both exhibited a dark and laid back SQ that belied their cost and reputation.  

 

Belied their cost and reputation ??  No.  In fact, the exact opposite has occurred ... if you found the LCD-2 or 3's to have a "dark and laid back" sound presentation then their reputation (for being dark and laid back) has been reinforced, not belied.  

 

As for them having "belied their cost" by having a dark and laid back sound quality, that is quite a bizarre statement: Certainly, one hopes for high-priced headphones to have a high sound quality, but one would surely hope that the actual style of presentation would not be affected by cost (ie. Some people might find a "bright" headphone presentation acceptable at a high cost, say HD800's, some might find a "dark" headphone presentation acceptable at a high cost, say LCD-3's, some people may prefer a "neutral" sound - which is so subjective and nebulous an aim that some people may even believe the LCD-2 is "neutral" or that the HD800 is "neutral" despite both sounding very different.  I certainly HOPE sound signatures remain varied in future and largely unassociated with price.

 

It certainly seems somewhat incongruous that somebody who views a dark and laid back SQ as being a "flaw" would choose to purchase both an LCD-2 and an LCD-3.


Edited by NinjaHamster - 2/2/14 at 4:17am
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Originally Posted by amham View Post
 

They both exhibited a dark and laid back SQ that belied their cost and reputation.  

 

Belied their cost and reputation ??  No.  In fact, the exact opposite has occurred ... if you found the LCD-2 or 3's to have a "dark and laid back" sound presentation then their reputation (for being dark and laid back) has been reinforced, not belied.  

 

As for them having "belied their cost" by having a dark and laid back sound quality, that is quite a bizarre statement: Certainly, one hopes for high-priced headphones to have a high sound quality, but one would surely hope that the actual style of presentation would not be affected by cost (ie. Some people might find a "bright" headphone presentation acceptable at a high cost, say HD800's, some might find a "dark" headphone presentation acceptable at a high cost, say LCD-3's, some people may prefer a "neutral" sound - which is so subjective and nebulous an aim that some people may even believe the LCD-2 is "neutral" or that the HD800 is "neutral" despite both sounding very different.  I certainly HOPE sound signatures remain varied in future and largely unassociated with price.

 

It certainly seems somewhat incongruous that somebody who views a dark and laid back SQ as being a "flaw" would choose to purchase both an LCD-2 and an LCD-3.

When a product is considered to be the "ne plus ultra" of it's respective category and charges a significant premium then it would seem to be contradictory to state that it is the "best" of the dark and laid back category and that SQ needs to be accepted.  There is only one "best", regardless of any single persons subjective appraisal.  Now, how to describe what the "best" is is open to discussion, but it must contain many if not all of the agreed upon merits of headphones that are detailed in this extensive forum of knowledgeable users.  

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