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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post

Give it a good month...all that rubbing will make your left ear the same size as your right one in due course.  Just be patient!.

 



Headphones this good don't bend to you, you bend to them. Now accept them as your master.
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*sigh* I'll go see the plastic surgeon tomorrow.

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Another one converted...... smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by goldendarko View Post
 
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

Give it a good month...all that rubbing will make your left ear the same size as your right one in due course.  Just be patient!.

 



Headphones this good don't bend to you, you bend to them. Now accept them as your master.


ROFL :veryevil:

post #2285 of 8798
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Originally Posted by Gowry View Post
 

So, I'm listening to my new Audeze LCD-X and Hifiman EF-6....

 

They both sound great. I've been waiting to post while forming up some opinions. I still have no opinions. I have some observations.

 

The HE-500 and the LCD-X are a lot different. Both have their strengths. I'm not sure if they have their weaknesses or not.

 

Justin Timberlake - Suit & Tie from The 20/20 Experience

I really only listened to the beginning of this track. I wanted to hear the sub-bass of the headphones. Both the HE-500 and LCD-X seemed similar in their handling of it. Neither produced what I hear from my sub-woofer when listening. There's a lot of low bass info missing. On the headphone's it's more like a indistinct low rumble. From looking at frequency charts, I am surprised at this. It was the same using both amps. Can anyone else give a listen and compare a sub to the headphones. -- actually, I think this is one of those cases where the room is responsible for the growth of the bass.

 

the sound of the bass on this track is an indistinct low rumble perhaps, doesn't sound very clean to me, the headphones i think are just more accurate on showing what the recording sounds like imo. subwoofer can reproduce better due to the longer decay. TH-900 does the best job, and the LCD-3 and HE-6 reproduce it good too.

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Also note that a subwoofer has THD probably around 10% while the Audezes have THD far below 1% at the lowest of bass.

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

the sound of the bass on this track is an indistinct low rumble perhaps, doesn't sound very clean to me, the headphones i think are just more accurate on showing what the recording sounds like imo. subwoofer can reproduce better due to the longer decay. TH-900 does the best job, and the LCD-3 and HE-6 reproduce it good too.

Thanks for giving it a listen! I think it is kind of just a low rumble. When I stand near the sub I get the same sort of sound as I do from the headphones, it's when I stand away near the back wall, that it becomes something more. Room acoustics at play. I see you have the HE-500's, too. It's a strange trip comparing the HE-500s to the LCD-X. I want to graft the mids of the LCD-X into my HE-500.

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I hope that this is the right place for this...

 

Let's assume that I need, rather than just really, really want, a pair of Audeze 'phones :)

 

From reading the forums I think the LCD-X are the ones for me, but I want the views of you folks who've heard and compared them

 

Background:

I'm very cloth/wooden/tin-eared - too much loud music as a youth :)

 

I only very occasionally listen to classical or jazz.

 

I don't listen to a lot a very well-produced music, nor do I really have much appreciation of what instruments should really sound like. The few artists I see live tend to go for enthusiasm and volume over accuracy/fidelity/purity/not sure how to describe it properly.

 

But, I do like voices (and kind of know what they sound like) and drums (rather than 'bass'). I listen to mainly of rock, alternative, folk and 'electronica' with a mix of male and female vocals. 

 

Headphones I've heard/own include Senn HD600, Audio Technica ATH-W1000x, Westone UM3X and v-moda M-80, all of which I actually like (and I could probably even tell them all apart in a blind test...). I'm currently loving my iBasso DX50, JDS Labs C5, v-moda combo.

 

Is the -X the right Audeze phone for me? If the answer is "nope, because it's massive overkill for what you listen to, try x instead", that would be good too.

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Originally Posted by Stonephace View Post
 

 

Is the -X the right Audeze phone for me? If the answer is "nope, because it's massive overkill for what you listen to, try x instead", that would be good too.

 

I'd try the LCD-2 for what you're describing.  It's more forgiving for bad recordings, and the added detail you get with the -X will be lost on your bad hearing. ;)

 

If you like the -2 but want more definition, try the -3.


Edited by cizx - 12/20/13 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by Stonephace View Post
 

I hope that this is the right place for this...

 

Let's assume that I need, rather than just really, really want, a pair of Audeze 'phones :)

 

From reading the forums I think the LCD-X are the ones for me, but I want the views of you folks who've heard and compared them

 

Background:

I'm very cloth/wooden/tin-eared - too much loud music as a youth :)

 

I only very occasionally listen to classical or jazz.

 

I don't listen to a lot a very well-produced music, nor do I really have much appreciation of what instruments should really sound like. The few artists I see live tend to go for enthusiasm and volume over accuracy/fidelity/purity/not sure how to describe it properly.

 

But, I do like voices (and kind of know what they sound like) and drums (rather than 'bass'). I listen to mainly of rock, alternative, folk and 'electronica' with a mix of male and female vocals.

 

Headphones I've heard/own include Senn HD600, Audio Technica ATH-W1000x, Westone UM3X and v-moda M-80, all of which I actually like (and I could probably even tell them all apart in a blind test...). I'm currently loving my iBasso DX50, JDS Labs C5, v-moda combo.

 

Is the -X the right Audeze phone for me? If the answer is "nope, because it's massive overkill for what you listen to, try x instead", that would be good too.

I may be mistaken, but hearing loss affects primarily the ability to perfect the highs/treble region.  If my assumption is correct, then getting something dark/with rolled-off treble would make the headphones sound to you muffled, gray, and kind of dead.  For this reason, I would go with the LCD-X (or better still, the LCD-XC, which has more pronounced treble) rather than going with something like the LCD-2/3.  Moreover, something like the T1 could suit your needs just fine for about $500 less...on the other hand, badly-recorded material would sound much better in the LCD-2s as it will definitely smooth-out the rough edges.


Edited by figaro69 - 12/20/13 at 11:17am
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Yeah I was thinking room acoustics. The room is effectively a sounding board, reinforcing modes in some parts versus others. Years ago I had speakers with -3dB at 17Hz - standing in some places suitably bassy material (Shriekback) would make my chest vibrate eek.gifbiggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Gowry View Post

Thanks for giving it a listen! I think it is kind of just a low rumble. When I stand near the sub I get the same sort of sound as I do from the headphones, it's when I stand away near the back wall, that it becomes something more. Room acoustics at play. I see you have the HE-500's, too. It's a strange trip comparing the HE-500s to the LCD-X. I want to graft the mids of the LCD-X into my HE-500.
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Originally Posted by Gowry View Post
 

Thanks for giving it a listen! I think it is kind of just a low rumble. When I stand near the sub I get the same sort of sound as I do from the headphones, it's when I stand away near the back wall, that it becomes something more. Room acoustics at play. I see you have the HE-500's, too. It's a strange trip comparing the HE-500s to the LCD-X. I want to graft the mids of the LCD-X into my HE-500.

Have you per-chance modded your HE500s in anyway yet? I have a whole bunch of modifications documented in detail specifically for it (check out my sig).

 

I'm not saying it'll suddenly make HE500s have the best midrange ever, but IMO it has some minor midrange issues that are remedied by mods.


Edited by jerg - 12/20/13 at 12:20pm
post #2293 of 8798
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Originally Posted by Stonephace View Post
 

I hope that this is the right place for this...

 

Let's assume that I need, rather than just really, really want, a pair of Audeze 'phones :)

 

From reading the forums I think the LCD-X are the ones for me, but I want the views of you folks who've heard and compared them

 

Background:

I'm very cloth/wooden/tin-eared - too much loud music as a youth :)

 

I only very occasionally listen to classical or jazz.

 

I don't listen to a lot a very well-produced music, nor do I really have much appreciation of what instruments should really sound like. The few artists I see live tend to go for enthusiasm and volume over accuracy/fidelity/purity/not sure how to describe it properly.

 

But, I do like voices (and kind of know what they sound like) and drums (rather than 'bass'). I listen to mainly of rock, alternative, folk and 'electronica' with a mix of male and female vocals. 

 

Headphones I've heard/own include Senn HD600, Audio Technica ATH-W1000x, Westone UM3X and v-moda M-80, all of which I actually like (and I could probably even tell them all apart in a blind test...). I'm currently loving my iBasso DX50, JDS Labs C5, v-moda combo.

 

Is the -X the right Audeze phone for me? If the answer is "nope, because it's massive overkill for what you listen to, try x instead", that would be good too.

 

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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

I may be mistaken, but hearing loss affects primarily the ability to perfect the highs/treble region.  If my assumption is correct, then getting something dark/with rolled-off treble would make the headphones sound to you muffled, gray, and kind of dead.  For this reason, I would go with the LCD-X (or better still, the LCD-XC, which has more pronounced treble) rather than going with something like the LCD-2/3.  Moreover, something like the T1 could suit your needs just fine for about $500 less...on the other hand, badly-recorded material would sound much better in the LCD-2s as it will definitely smooth-out the rough edges.

 

Agreed, I also have moderate hearing loss in the highs (bad genes and sinus problems) and I don't particularly like rolled off highs as a result, though I'm sensitive to peaks in the (3-5kHz region). I expect you would enjoy the HE-500 or HE-6 more, especially if you liked the HD-600. The HE-500 has a more pronounced treble without sounding harsh and also sounds acceptable with poorly recorded music. From the descriptions I didn't expect the LCD-X to roll off that early, though the midrange does extend rather nicely. The frequency response graphs by themselves do not tell as much (would be nice to see waterfall plots). I figure guys with excellent hearing would really appreciate the LCD-X.

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Originally Posted by Stonephace View Post...I listen to mainly of rock, alternative, folk and 'electronica' with a mix of male and female vocals...

 

Is the -X the right Audeze phone for me? ...

 

You already appreciate some good headphones, so i don't see why the qualities of the LCD-X would be lost on you. I listen to those same genres and the LCD-X is good at pulling out all the details and dynamics in recordings. I'd estimate 2/3rds of the recordings in  those genres are good or better, and 1/3rd very good to excellent. That leaves another third which have issues with recording, mixing or mastering. Poor recordings aren't unlistenable on the LCD-X, but you'll be able to easily pick them out.  This is a little annoying, but worth the price of admission.  When you hear a great recording of music you love--your jaw will drop.

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Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

 

 

Agreed, I also have moderate hearing loss in the highs (bad genes and sinus problems) and I don't particularly like rolled off highs as a result, though I'm sensitive to peaks in the (3-5kHz region). I expect you would enjoy the HE-500 or HE-6 more, especially if you liked the HD-600. The HE-500 has a more pronounced treble without sounding harsh and also sounds acceptable with poorly recorded music. From the descriptions I didn't expect the LCD-X to roll off that early, though the midrange does extend rather nicely. The frequency response graphs by themselves do not tell as much (would be nice to see waterfall plots). I figure guys with excellent hearing would really appreciate the LCD-X.

Heck, the HD800 (which has the opposite tonal balance to the Audeze house sound) might be exactly what Stonephase needs.

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