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post #2266 of 8668

I had a very good listening session yesterday with the Dangerous Source + EF-6.

 

It's still too thick and the bass is too present but things are getting better. I could well imagine keeping them in the end, but I would need a silver cable and sell/exchange my SA-2 for something brighter (NFB-27 / Master 7).

 

Before that last session, I was 100% in agreement with TheDuke findings (overpowering and bloated bass that results in a dull and thick sound. One cannot say the Chord or the SA-2 are bad DACs by any means, so quality is not the reason here; tonality  matching most likely is).

post #2267 of 8668
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

I had a very good listening session yesterday with the Dangerous Source + EF-6.

 

It's still too thick and the bass is too present but things are getting better. I could well imagine keeping them in the end, but I would need a silver cable and sell/exchange my SA-2 for something brighter (NFB-27 / Master 7).

 

Before that last session, I was 100% in agreement with TheDuke findings (overpowering and bloated bass that results in a dull and thick sound. One cannot say the Chord or the SA-2 are bad DACs by any means, so quality is not the reason here; tonality  matching most likely is).

Silver is, definitely, the way to go, especially with the powerful, yet somewhat laid back, signature of the EF-6.  A brighter source would help as well, since I have the Oppo BDP-95, which some have accused of being bright-sounding.  All I can say is that the way they sound to me with my chosen amps and cables cannot be improved upon.  By the way, yesterday I got the LCD-XC's; even though I've only listened to them for about two hours, they are yet another impressive achievement from Audeze, even though (at least to my ears) the sound/signature is completely different from that of the LCD-X (i.e., they are not just "closed LCD-Xs!).  Just as a teaser before my more in-depth impressions, the LCD-XCs are leaner in the bass department and much brighter (more prominent treble) than the LCD-Xs.  Moreover, they sound much better at lower volumes than the LCD-Xs.  I'll be writing more extensively either tonight or tomorrow.

post #2268 of 8668
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Originally Posted by Barry S View Post
 

 

 

.............. there are differences in sound signatures between Audeze, and the HD800--the same is true for Stax, AKG, Beyer, HiFiMan. There's a big difference between neutral and "sounding like reality". Neutral implies a balance between parts of the spectrum, so no one area predominates. The LCD-X is very neutral to me, but neutral isn't exactly the same for everyone. Not even the SR009 + BHSE sounds like "reality". Maybe in 200 years headphones will sound like reality, but today--every headphone has its own way of stylizing the sound. Photographs can accurately represent aspects of reality, but they're only simulacra.

+1

 

Sounding like reality.......the Holy Grail in this audio hobby. Good luck with that, although some systems (hi fi) do sound very lifelike with some kinds of music. 

 

All this being said, about sounding like reality, attempting at neutrality........I have to say that the Violectric V200/LCD-X combo just sounds so delicious. I know it's not 'neutral', so shoot me. :atsmile:

post #2269 of 8668
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

Silver is, definitely, the way to go, especially with the powerful, yet somewhat laid back, signature of the EF-6.  A brighter source would help as well, since I have the Oppo BDP-95, which some have accused of being bright-sounding.  All I can say is that the way they sound to me with my chosen amps and cables cannot be improved upon.  By the way, yesterday I got the LCD-XC's; even though I've only listened to them for about two hours, they are yet another impressive achievement from Audeze, even though (at least to my ears) the sound/signature is completely different from that of the LCD-X (i.e., they are not just "closed LCD-Xs!).  Just as a teaser before my more in-depth impressions, the LCD-XCs are leaner in the bass department and much brighter (more prominent treble) than the LCD-Xs.  Moreover, they sound much better at lower volumes than the LCD-Xs.  I'll be writing more extensively either tonight or tomorrow.

 

:popcorn:

post #2270 of 8668
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Originally Posted by SMG52 View Post
 

+1

 

Sounding like reality.......the Holy Grail in this audio hobby. Good luck with that, although some systems (hi fi) do sound very lifelike with some kinds of music. 

 

All this being said, about sounding like reality, attempting at neutrality........I have to say that the Violectric V200/LCD-X combo just sounds so delicious. I know it's not 'neutral', so shoot me. :atsmile:

There is a second (and just as important) bottleneck on "realistic reproduction" of audio, that is the recording and mastering of the audio itself. No two tracks are recorded/mastered the same, so even with the most optimized compensated audio equipment for music reproduction, it's going to be hit-and-miss.

 

Maybe in the far future, there'll be some sort of highly advanced dynamic compensation algorithm that analyzes every track for optimal "matching" frequency response etc, but that's getting into conjecture.


Edited by jerg - 12/19/13 at 1:32pm
post #2271 of 8668
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Originally Posted by SMG52 View Post
I have to say that the Violectric V200/LCD-X combo just sounds so delicious. I know it's not 'neutral', so shoot me. :atsmile:

 

Neutrality is overrated anyway.

post #2272 of 8668

So, I'm listening to my new Audeze LCD-X and Hifiman EF-6....

 

They both sound great. I've been waiting to post while forming up some opinions. I still have no opinions. I have some observations.

 

The HE-500 and the LCD-X are a lot different. Both have their strengths. I'm not sure if they have their weaknesses or not.

 

The EF6 sounds great, but I'm not sure it's a big upgrade over my m-stage. That really surprised me. I think it's maybe because the LCD-X just doesn't need that much current....but I would certainly have thought the HE-500 would. It's not that the EF6 doesn't sound better. I'm just not sure I can quantify it yet. I run the m-stage at a gain of 10 or 18. Currently it's set to 18. I have noticed that the EF6 hums with the LCD-X. I'm wondering if the LCD-X are just at too low an impedance for it. I've tried with the gain set to low (which i've read just puts 10db into feedback...doesn't really change the gain). Given that the other planars have twice the impedance of the EF-6, is it possible it just isn't the match? There's no hum when I plug in the HE-500. The hum I hear doesn't change with a change of the volume knob, either. I'm guessing it's the 60Hz of the outlet.

 

Now...back to the LCD-X and HE-500. 

I've listened to a few tracks, so I really can't offer any firm opinions at the moment other than they are very different. 

 

Neil Young - Cortez the Killer from Weld.

  -- this is a live performance. The presentation is extremely different between the two headphones. The HE-500 makes it sound more alive in some ways. The LCD-X makes it sound more like it's playing from a room that's been acoustically treated very well. Or maybe It's more that the LCD-X makes it sound like you're sitting much further back in the audience. Give it a listen and see what you think. I'd be interested in how someone else describes this difference. I played this at a high volume. The LCD-X is uninvolving where the HE-500 is very involving at around 6:35 for example. However, with crowd noises and voice, the LCD-X is more involving and conveys more a feel of his emotion. It might also sound a bit more like I'd expect his voice to sound coming out of a marshall stack. I wonder which version the recording engineer mixed? :p

 

The HE-500 is clear as a bell when it comes to the highs. The LCD-X is clear but it excels at filling in with weight and body. If I could graft both together,it seems like it'd make the perfect phone...but then grafting the high and low together might change the entire perception. I feel like it may be that people feel the LCD-X is more detailed than the HE-500 because the weight of most music is in the mids. With the aforementioned Cortez the Killer, there was a lot of detail in the highs and the HE-500s excelled. 

 

Justin Timberlake - Suit & Tie from The 20/20 Experience

I really only listened to the beginning of this track. I wanted to hear the sub-bass of the headphones. Both the HE-500 and LCD-X seemed similar in their handling of it. Neither produced what I hear from my sub-woofer when listening. There's a lot of low bass info missing. On the headphone's it's more like a indistinct low rumble. From looking at frequency charts, I am surprised at this. It was the same using both amps. Can anyone else give a listen and compare a sub to the headphones. -- actually, I think this is one of those cases where the room is responsible for the growth of the bass.

 

Chick Corea -- The Great Pumpkin Waltz from Happy Anniversary, Charlie Brown

I love this song. Both headphones do wonderful things with it. I love listening to the bass (the instrument) in this song. My ears just follow it around. There are great bass runs around 1:45, 2:45 and 3:36 in the song.There are places, however,  where the texture of the bass just seems to disappear at the lower notes. I dunno if I should just conclude that that information isn't present in the recording or not. Maybe I'll listen to the CD and see if I hear anything different. I think the recording I'm listening to is llikely a lame vbr mp3 using insane or extreme setting.

 

A few odds and ends

 

The EF6 runs hot. The whole thing just turns into a heater. =) It's got some hugs caps in there...nothing says current like big caps! I never turned the volume knob past 11 o'clock. That was plenty loud. I used the EF6 at high gain. There's a huge leap in volume a couple of clicks after 9'oclock.

 

The LCDX  are so much more comfortable to wear than the HE-500. I wish the HE-500 had big comfy pads like the LCD-X do. 

 

I'm impressed with the m-stage. I don't have much experience telling the difference between amps, but I could tell a huge difference between my $800 yamaha receiver and my $1500 yamaha 2092. I could also tell a big difference between my iBasso D12 and either the EF-6 or the m-stage. I'm much harder pressed to find a difference between the EF-6 and the m-stage. And I know the m-stage doesn't have the power output of the EF-6, but maybe it's just that the songs I'm using or the headphones I'm using don't need it....or maybe I just can't hear it. I'll listen more. Maybe an "aha!" moment will come.

 

If you got this far, thanks for reading. If you have the same phones, give those songs a listen and see what you think. I'm really interested in what others think using those songs and in hearing suggestions for other songs to listen to.

 

Wow...I didn't think I had that much to say

post #2273 of 8668
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Originally Posted by Gowry View Post
 

So, I'm listening to my new Audeze LCD-X and Hifiman EF-6....

 

They both sound great. I've been waiting to post while forming up some opinions. I still have no opinions. I have some observations.

 

The HE-500 and the LCD-X are a lot different. Both have their strengths. I'm not sure if they have their weaknesses or not.

 

The EF6 sounds great, but I'm not sure it's a big upgrade over my m-stage. That really surprised me. I think it's maybe because the LCD-X just doesn't need that much current....but I would certainly have thought the HE-500 would. It's not that the EF6 doesn't sound better. I'm just not sure I can quantify it yet. I run the m-stage at a gain of 10 or 18. Currently it's set to 18. I have noticed that the EF6 hums with the LCD-X. I'm wondering if the LCD-X are just at too low an impedance for it. I've tried with the gain set to low (which i've read just puts 10db into feedback...doesn't really change the gain). Given that the other planars have twice the impedance of the EF-6, is it possible it just isn't the match? There's no hum when I plug in the HE-500. The hum I hear doesn't change with a change of the volume knob, either. I'm guessing it's the 60Hz of the outlet.

 

Now...back to the LCD-X and HE-500.

I've listened to a few tracks, so I really can't offer any firm opinions at the moment other than they are very different.

 

Neil Young - Cortez the Killer from Weld.

  -- this is a live performance. The presentation is extremely different between the two headphones. The HE-500 makes it sound more alive in some ways. The LCD-X makes it sound more like it's playing from a room that's been acoustically treated very well. Or maybe It's more that the LCD-X makes it sound like you're sitting much further back in the audience. Give it a listen and see what you think. I'd be interested in how someone else describes this difference. I played this at a high volume. The LCD-X is uninvolving where the HE-500 is very involving at around 6:35 for example. However, with crowd noises and voice, the LCD-X is more involving and conveys more a feel of his emotion. It might also sound a bit more like I'd expect his voice to sound coming out of a marshall stack. I wonder which version the recording engineer mixed? :p

 

The HE-500 is clear as a bell when it comes to the highs. The LCD-X is clear but it excels at filling in with weight and body. If I could graft both together,it seems like it'd make the perfect phone...but then grafting the high and low together might change the entire perception. I feel like it may be that people feel the LCD-X is more detailed than the HE-500 because the weight of most music is in the mids. With the aforementioned Cortez the Killer, there was a lot of detail in the highs and the HE-500s excelled.

 

Justin Timberlake - Suit & Tie from The 20/20 Experience

I really only listened to the beginning of this track. I wanted to hear the sub-bass of the headphones. Both the HE-500 and LCD-X seemed similar in their handling of it. Neither produced what I hear from my sub-woofer when listening. There's a lot of low bass info missing. On the headphone's it's more like a indistinct low rumble. From looking at frequency charts, I am surprised at this. It was the same using both amps. Can anyone else give a listen and compare a sub to the headphones. -- actually, I think this is one of those cases where the room is responsible for the growth of the bass.

 

Chick Corea -- The Great Pumpkin Waltz from Happy Anniversary, Charlie Brown

I love this song. Both headphones do wonderful things with it. I love listening to the bass (the instrument) in this song. My ears just follow it around. There are great bass runs around 1:45, 2:45 and 3:36 in the song.There are places, however,  where the texture of the bass just seems to disappear at the lower notes. I dunno if I should just conclude that that information isn't present in the recording or not. Maybe I'll listen to the CD and see if I hear anything different. I think the recording I'm listening to is llikely a lame vbr mp3 using insane or extreme setting.

 

A few odds and ends

 

The EF6 runs hot. The whole thing just turns into a heater. =) It's got some hugs caps in there...nothing says current like big caps! I never turned the volume knob past 11 o'clock. That was plenty loud. I used the EF6 at high gain. There's a huge leap in volume a couple of clicks after 9'oclock.

 

The LCDX  are so much more comfortable to wear than the HE-500. I wish the HE-500 had big comfy pads like the LCD-X do.

 

I'm impressed with the m-stage. I don't have much experience telling the difference between amps, but I could tell a huge difference between my $800 yamaha receiver and my $1500 yamaha 2092. I could also tell a big difference between my iBasso D12 and either the EF-6 or the m-stage. I'm much harder pressed to find a difference between the EF-6 and the m-stage. And I know the m-stage doesn't have the power output of the EF-6, but maybe it's just that the songs I'm using or the headphones I'm using don't need it....or maybe I just can't hear it. I'll listen more. Maybe an "aha!" moment will come.

 

If you got this far, thanks for reading. If you have the same phones, give those songs a listen and see what you think. I'm really interested in what others think using those songs and in hearing suggestions for other songs to listen to.

 

Wow...I didn't think I had that much to say

My EF-6 doesn't hum, thank God!  It does create hiss with my TH-900s, though.  The EF-6 and LCD-Xs are glorious together, at least in my system.  Using Oppo BDP-95, a copper interconnect, and a silver (i.e., silver dragon) headphone replacement cable.  Amazing.

post #2274 of 8668

It makes me wonder if something is wrong with mine, but it sounds great despite the slight hum. I read another review where the reviewer said he heard the same. I dont' hear it on the he-500, though.

post #2275 of 8668

Thanks for the impressions Gowry, so which do you prefer the X or the HE-500?

post #2276 of 8668

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Edited by Toxic Cables - 12/19/13 at 7:08pm
post #2277 of 8668
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Originally Posted by goldendarko View Post
 

Thanks for the impressions Gowry, so which do you prefer the X or the HE-500?

I still haven't listened enough to form a good opinion. They're both excellent and so different that it isn't an immediate "I like this better." I think the truth will come out during casual, extended listening sessions.

post #2278 of 8668

My left ear seems to rub against the fazor? It starts to hurt after a while. Has anyone else had a problem like this? I can't see anything different about the left and right earcups. I can only guess that maybe my left ear is bigger than the other.

post #2279 of 8668
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Originally Posted by Gowry View Post

My left ear seems to rub against the fazor? It starts to hurt after a while. Has anyone else had a problem like this? I can't see anything different about the left and right earcups. I can only guess that maybe my left ear is bigger than the other.


 



I think one of the reviewers on this site actually had that problem too, I think it was the guy who gave it like 2.5 stars.
post #2280 of 8668
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Originally Posted by Gowry View Post
 

My left ear seems to rub against the fazor? It starts to hurt after a while. Has anyone else had a problem like this? I can't see anything different about the left and right earcups. I can only guess that maybe my left ear is bigger than the other.

Give it a good month...all that rubbing will make your left ear the same size as your right one in due course.  Just be patient!.

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