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on an unrelated note: Does anyone think that the price difference between the 3 and the X is driven by the wood? Seems to me that most descriptions of X say that it is a bit better technically than 3 (per experiences, not plots). I know zebrano wood is pricey. But I also think that it could be Audeze read on the market (ala what people are willing to pay more for).

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I don't mean to generalize, but when it comes to TOTL level headphones, I found a tendency that easier-to-drive headphones generally sound better than harder-to-drive headphones on lesser amps, but when used with TOTL level amps to bring out their full potential, it is usually the harder-to-drive headphones that boast an overall higher scalability and ultimately a superior ceiling performance.

For example, the TH900 sounds really good almost out of anything, but probably as a result of this doesn't scale very high with SOTA amps. On the other hand, headphones that are notoriously hard to drive such as HE-6 (for its low efficiency) and HD800 (for its high impedance and bright sonic characteristics) achieve a stunning performance at their peak, given they were properly amped to their best. If poorly amped, however, they could sound worse than their less expensive siblings: HE-500 and HD650, respectively.

That being said, I believe the LCD-X will outperform the LCD-3 in many setups, thanks to the former's easy to drive factor, but when both are driven by TOTL amps (such as the finest offerings of ALO, Apex, EAR, Eddie Current, HeadAmp, Luxman, RSA, Luxman, etc.), which one is better overall? Is LCD-X still the better headphone, or will LCD-3 scale higher than the LCD-X in the end?

FWIW, the best sound I heard at my meet in October was the Woo WA5 (maxed and with killer tubes) driving the LCD-X's. It was better, IMO, than the LCD-3's on the same rig and was better than either the Abyss on the Woo 234's or the 009's on the Blue Hawaii...tho both of those combo's were pretty special too.

The LCD-X's will scale quite nicely.
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FWIW, the best sound I heard at my meet in October was the Woo WA5 (maxed and with killer tubes) driving the LCD-X's. It was better, IMO, than the LCD-3's on the same rig and was better than either the Abyss on the Woo 234's or the 009's on the Blue Hawaii...tho both of those combo's were pretty special too.

The LCD-X's will scale quite nicely.

 

It must be really good... did you use WA5's single-ended 1/4" or 4-pin XLR output for the LCD-X?

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I'm glad to see this thread turning toward amp talk.  I have a Burson Conductor on my RADAR, and right now I'm using my -X with a DACport.  It sounds objectively good, but I know there's room for improvement.  

 

I'm not sure a Conductor is the best deal in the $1-2k range (for DAC and amp), though, and I'm looking forward to more impressions.  I'm also considering Gungnir & Mjolnir, but I've had those before with my LCD-2 and wasn't floored.  Not sure that I want to go that route again before trying something new and exciting.  WA7 is also on my short list, it just takes so long to get one.  I'm fighting my own impatience most of all.

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It must be really good... did you use WA5's single-ended 1/4" or 4-pin XLR output for the LCD-X?

XLR

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Originally Posted by cizx View Post
 

I'm glad to see this thread turning toward amp talk.  I have a Burson Conductor on my RADAR, and right now I'm using my -X with a DACport.  It sounds objectively good, but I know there's room for improvement.  

 

I'm not sure a Conductor is the best deal in the $1-2k range (for DAC and amp), though, and I'm looking forward to more impressions.  I'm also considering Gungnir & Mjolnir, but I've had those before with my LCD-2 and wasn't floored.  Not sure that I want to go that route again before trying something new and exciting.  WA7 is also on my short list, it just takes so long to get one.  I'm fighting my own impatience most of all.

If you have tried with Mjolnir/Gungnir and was not satisfied, what not stay with the Conductor :blink:

I have the Schiit stack and are sort of disappointed, but the synergy are not perfect with HE6, maybe because i need some Audeze :bigsmile_face:

Anyway read several places that the conductor is good with LCD3, sounds like one killer amp/dac. 

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Originally Posted by cizx View Post
 

I'm glad to see this thread turning toward amp talk.  I have a Burson Conductor on my RADAR, and right now I'm using my -X with a DACport.  It sounds objectively good, but I know there's room for improvement.  

 

I'm not sure a Conductor is the best deal in the $1-2k range (for DAC and amp), though, and I'm looking forward to more impressions.  I'm also considering Gungnir & Mjolnir, but I've had those before with my LCD-2 and wasn't floored.  Not sure that I want to go that route again before trying something new and exciting.  WA7 is also on my short list, it just takes so long to get one.  I'm fighting my own impatience most of all.

I have Burson Conductor and I love it. It is very versatile and loved it with LCD-2, LCD-3, LCD-X, HD800 and even IEMS. I didn't find a headphone that Conductor wouldn't match. (I didn't try HE6 though :)) ).

 

As a DAC, if you put a good USB interface it will really scale.

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FWIW, I'm really enjoying the Schiit M&G with the LCD-X

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FWIW, I'm really enjoying the Schiit M&G with the LCD-X

 

Out of curiosity I visited your photography website, and saw several nice pictures of your audio gears. They look indeed professional! I'm actually curious about the WA22 amp; did you try the LCD-X with your WA22 too? If so, could you tell me if it was a good match?

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Originally Posted by Moonhead View Post
 

If you have tried with Mjolnir/Gungnir and was not satisfied, what not stay with the Conductor :blink:

I have the Schiit stack and are sort of disappointed, but the synergy are not perfect with HE6, maybe because i need some Audeze :bigsmile_face:

Anyway read several places that the conductor is good with LCD3, sounds like one killer amp/dac. 

I've heard that about the LCD-3, too, but since the -X is a little brighter I'm worried about the synergy.  Real problem is the only stuff I can audition around here is Bryston because that's what Audiolab in Cambridge, MA sells.  He doesn't have a great selection of other stuff, and the Bryston he had wasn't sourced well and didn't sound that great with the LCD-2.2 I tried with them last time I was up there.

 

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I have Burson Conductor and I love it. It is very versatile and loved it with LCD-2, LCD-3, LCD-X, HD800 and even IEMS. I didn't find a headphone that Conductor wouldn't match. (I didn't try HE6 though :)) ).

 

As a DAC, if you put a good USB interface it will really scale.

do you mean a USB to coax converter, or a good USB cable directly into the Conductor?  I've read a little about the USB input on the conductor having some issues and needing a special driver...

 

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FWIW, I'm really enjoying the Schiit M&G with the LCD-X

Have you tried other configs?  Have you felt driven to try other configs?  Are you the same kind of dissatisfied maniac that I am? ;)

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Originally Posted by songmic View Post
 

 

Out of curiosity I visited your photography website, and saw several nice pictures of your audio gears. They look indeed professional! I'm actually curious about the WA22 amp; did you try the LCD-X with your WA22 too? If so, could you tell me if it was a good match?

 

YES, I'm also looking at one of these.  I'd love to hear some impressions vs the Mjolnir.

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Originally Posted by cizx View Post
 

I've heard that about the LCD-3, too, but since the -X is a little brighter I'm worried about the synergy.  Real problem is the only stuff I can audition around here is Bryston because that's what Audiolab in Cambridge, MA sells.  He doesn't have a great selection of other stuff, and the Bryston he had wasn't sourced well and didn't sound that great with the LCD-2.2 I tried with them last time I was up there.

 

do you mean a USB to coax converter, or a good USB cable directly into the Conductor?  I've read a little about the USB input on the conductor having some issues and needing a special driver...

 

Have you tried other configs?  Have you felt driven to try other configs?  Are you the same kind of dissatisfied maniac that I am? ;)

Yes, USB to coax converter like AudioByte Hydra-X, Audiophilleo AP2, Yellowtech PUC2 Lite, etc.

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Originally Posted by songmic View Post
 

 

Out of curiosity I visited your photography website, and saw several nice pictures of your audio gears. They look indeed professional! I'm actually curious about the WA22 amp; did you try the LCD-X with your WA22 too? If so, could you tell me if it was a good match?

 

 

I have not heard the WA-22 with the LCD-X, but intend to.  I actually have an order pending with Jack…just have to get the remaining funds together.

 

The website features photography I have shot for the manufacturers, not all mine…sadly I don't own the WA-234's. ;-)

 

It IS a nice perk to be able to spend time with the gear.  For example, Schiit ships me their stuff to shoot and I generally get to have at least a day to listen to anything they send in.  Unfortunately, Woo brings me their stuff…and leaves with it at the end of the shoot. Tho Jack was at my meet in October and I got to spend some glorious time with his 234's through the Abyss headphones and the WA-5 through the X's.  

 

I'll be shooting the whole line for HeadAmp in the not-too-distant future and Alex Cavalli keeps threatening to send me his amps to shoot.  When those shoots happen, I plan to make sure some listening time is built in!

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Originally Posted by leesure View Post
 

 

 

I have not heard the WA-22 with the LCD-X, but intend to.  I actually have an order pending with Jack…just have to get the remaining funds together.

 

The website features photography I have shot for the manufacturers, not all mine…sadly I don't own the WA-234's. ;-)

 

It IS a nice perk to be able to spend time with the gear.  For example, Schiit ships me their stuff to shoot and I generally get to have at least a day to listen to anything they send in.  Unfortunately, Woo brings me their stuff…and leaves with it at the end of the shoot. Tho Jack was at my meet in October and I got to spend some glorious time with his 234's through the Abyss headphones and the WA-5 through the X's.  

 

I'll be shooting the whole line for HeadAmp in the not-too-distant future and Alex Cavalli keeps threatening to send me his amps to shoot.  When those shoots happen, I plan to make sure some listening time is built in!

 

Whoa, so the official pictures of all these headphone/amp products was shot by one person and it was you? No wonder many of the pictures looked somewhat familiar!

 

I'll be looking forward to your impression with the LCD-X and WA22. The WA22 is one of the very few fully balanced (true balanced from input to output) tube amps for dynamic headphones in the market. It doesn't have a very high power output for a balanced amp, but I'm sure it will be more than enough to handle the LCD-X's high efficiency. Remember to use it with XLR interconnects and your Gungnir DAC to take its full advantage of its balanced design. ;)

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Originally Posted by cizx View Post
 

I've heard that about the LCD-3, too, but since the -X is a little brighter I'm worried about the synergy.  Real problem is the only stuff I can audition around here is Bryston because that's what Audiolab in Cambridge, MA sells.  He doesn't have a great selection of other stuff, and the Bryston he had wasn't sourced well and didn't sound that great with the LCD-2.2 I tried with them last time I was up there.

 

do you mean a USB to coax converter, or a good USB cable directly into the Conductor?  I've read a little about the USB input on the conductor having some issues and needing a special driver...

 

Have you tried other configs?  Have you felt driven to try other configs?  Are you the same kind of dissatisfied maniac that I am? ;)

 

The driver is the ASIO provided by Burson, they now have an optional USB upgrade that is not the tenor, I can say it fixed all the issues I had.
 
Sound:
I had both Gungnir/Mjolnir and the Conductor for a few months with the LCD-3, and decided to keep the Conductor.
Soundstage was a little wider with the Schiit combo, but the Conductor takes the upper hand when it comes to details and sound quality. It does require some burn in time.
 
Physical:
Just one of the Schiit components take more space than the Conductor and each requires a power outlet, (ie more cables), then you have to put another on top, may not be an issue for most. 
Conductor was better for me since I have limited desk space.
 
Hope that helps.
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