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This is my first post here: I`ve ordered the LCD-X and I`m very much looking forward to reading more impressions of the LCD-X and especially of aftermarket cables with the LCD-X :D

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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post
 

:popcorn: WOW! I have not been checking new thread for few months and I find this!!! Sorry if it has been said before -- I am slowing making my way through the thread -- but how does LCD-x stock up agains HE6, aside from being easier to derive. Anyone?

 

I would like to know this as well. I purchased my HE-6 shortly before the LCD-X was released, so I kinda regret that I should've waited for a while to listen to people's feedback regarding Audeze's new headphone. As of now, though, I ultimately prefer my HE-6 to LCD-3, but only when the HE-6 is driven with a decent speaker amp to kick its butt (I didn't really like the HE-6 before I heard it on a speaker system). The HE-6 sounds phenomenal on high-quality speaker amps, and because of this not many Head-Fi'ers seem to appreciate what it's truly capable of.

 

From what people are saying, the voicing of the LCD-X seems to have been moved to the brighter side, making it closer to a neutral headphone than the LCD-3. If this is true, then I think I may end up preferring the LCD-X to LCD-3 too. I'm guessing something like this:

 

(warm/dark/lush/thick/closed-sounding) - LCD-2 < LCD-3 < LCD-X < HE-6 < HD800 < SR-009 - (cold/bright/analytic/airy/open-sounding)

 

The question is, how will LCD-X stack up against HE-6, assuming both are driven to their very best?


Edited by songmic - 11/25/13 at 5:02am
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Also, what is the general consensus on amping the LCD-X? I know these are overall easier to drive with a higher sensitivity, but I'm talking about matching sound signatures to create a synergistic effect.

 

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe solid-state amps were generally favored with LCD-2 and 3 due to their warm, dark sound signature. The fact that many prefer silver aftermarket cables over copper with LCD-2/3 has to do with this, too.

 

However, since LCD-X is supposedly brighter and more airy, are tube amps preferred? Or, is it still an Audeze headphone nevertheless, and has a darker than neutral sound that makes it also a better match with solid-state amps and silver cables?

 

On a side note: One may argue that tube amps are bad for LCD-X since the LCD-X has a low impedance of 22 ohms and most tube amps - especially OTL amps - have high output impedance; however, the impedance of 22 ohms is purely resistive since it is a planar magnetic headphone, so one need not worry about distortion caused by low damping factor in this headphone.


Edited by songmic - 11/25/13 at 5:06am
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I to loved my HE6 on a speaker amp , but stupidly sold my amp because my 2 year old son kept messing with it 

and would have destroyed eventually. 

I now have Mjolnir/Gungnir, the schiit stack. 

 

Which of LCD3 & LCD-X is the most forgiving with bad master records? 

Which have the most natural cymbals ? 

could be interest in HD800 too, but maybe its to bright!

 

 

I Have been reading a lot of great reviews here lately, so sorry if these questions has been answered already. 


Edited by Moonhead - 11/25/13 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by Moonhead View Post
 

I to loved my HE6 on a speaker amp , but stupidly sold my amp because my 2 year old son kept messing with it 

and would have destroyed eventually. 

I now have Mjolnir/Gungnir, the schiit stack. 

 

Which of LCD3 & LCD-X is the most forgiving with bad master records? 

Which have the most natural cymbals ? 

could be interest in HD800 too, but maybe its to bright!

 

 

I Have been reading a lot of great reviews here lately, so sorry if these questions has been answered already. 

 

The Mjolnir is great with LCD-3, but unimpressive with the HE-6.

 

From what people are saying, LCD-X could be less forgiving with poorly recorded material. Maybe not as unforgiving as, say, HD800 though. Headphones such as LCD-2/3 and TH900 are more forgiving, and mask the flaws of such recordings at the expense of transparency and openness.


Edited by songmic - 11/25/13 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by songmic View Post
 

Also, what is the general consensus on amping the LCD-X? I know these are overall easier to drive with a higher sensitivity, but I'm talking about matching sound signatures to create a synergistic effect.

 

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe solid-state amps were generally favored with LCD-2 and 3 due to their warm, dark sound signature. The fact that many prefer silver aftermarket cables over copper with LCD-2/3 has to do with this, too.

 

However, since LCD-X is supposedly brighter and more airy, are tube amps preferred? Or, is it still an Audeze headphone nevertheless, and has a darker than neutral sound that makes it also a better match with solid-state amps and silver cables?

 

On a side note: One may argue that tube amps are bad for LCD-X since the LCD-X has a low impedance of 22 ohms and most tube amps - especially OTL amps - have high output impedance; however, the impedance of 22 ohms is purely resistive since it is a planar magnetic headphone, so one need not worry about distortion caused by low damping factor in this headphone.

I address a number of your questions in my review here: http://www.head-fi.org/products/audeze-lcd-x/reviews/9971

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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post
 

:popcorn: WOW! I have not been checking new thread for few months and I find this!!! Sorry if it has been said before -- I am slowing making my way through the thread -- but how does LCD-x stock up agains HE6, aside from being easier to derive. Anyone?

 

I was comparing the two yesterday...tho the HE-6's were 'only' driven by the Lyr, which is not enough, they did show a few differences.  The HE-6's are more neutral & laid back.  They lacked the bottom octave ooph that the LCD-X's have.  The HE-6's were ultimately more 'accurate' but also less involving.  I'll compare them on the RWA Isabellina later to see if the HE-6's wake up.  As of now, I could live a long time with either one and be very happy, but given the choice, I'd reach for the LCD-X.

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Originally Posted by leesure View Post
 

 

I was comparing the two yesterday...tho the HE-6's were 'only' driven by the Lyr, which is not enough, they did show a few differences.  The HE-6's are more neutral & laid back.  They lacked the bottom octave ooph that the LCD-X's have.  The HE-6's were ultimately more 'accurate' but also less involving.  I'll compare them on the RWA Isabellina later to see if the HE-6's wake up.  As of now, I could live a long time with either one and be very happy, but given the choice, I'd reach for the LCD-X.

if you are not going to properly amp the HE-6 you probably shouldn't use it as a comparison....just saying.....

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Originally Posted by leesure View Post

 

I was comparing the two yesterday...tho the HE-6's were 'only' driven by the Lyr, which is not enough, they did show a few differences.  The HE-6's are more neutral & laid back.  They lacked the bottom octave ooph that the LCD-X's have.  The HE-6's were ultimately more 'accurate' but also less involving.  I'll compare them on the RWA Isabellina later to see if the HE-6's wake up.  As of now, I could live a long time with either one and be very happy, but given the choice, I'd reach for the LCD-X.

 

Compared to the LCD-3, I agree that the HE-6 is neutral and laid back. Even if the HE-6 is driven well, the LCD-3 is more engaging and ultimately the more "fun-sounding" headphone. Of course, fun-sounding doesn't necessary translate into a superior sound...

 

Schiit Lyr is probably the most affordable headphone amp that can drive the HE-6 to a certain extent, but it is definitely not enough. I'm not sure if the RWA Isabellina will. If possible, I strongly recommend you take your HE-6 along with a speaker adapter cable (or HE-Adapter, if you have one) to local hi-fi shops, and see how HE-6 plays out with the big speaker amps. It was really mindblowing for me. Then, you could try comparing the LCD-X with it. ;)

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Originally Posted by philo50 View Post
 

if you are not going to properly amp the HE-6 you probably shouldn't use it as a comparison....just saying.....

Typical...no good deed goes unpunished.

 

I put the disclaimer about the amp.  Sorry that I 'only' gave them 6W of power for the comparison.  

 

Tell ya what...you offer something of value by way of an answer and I'll rip you for it next.  

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Originally Posted by songmic View Post
 

 

Compared to the LCD-3, I agree that the HE-6 is neutral and laid back. Even if the HE-6 is driven well, the LCD-3 is more engaging and ultimately the more "fun-sounding" headphone. Of course, fun-sounding doesn't necessary translate into a superior sound...

 

Schiit Lyr is probably the most affordable headphone amp that can drive the HE-6 to a certain extent, but it is definitely not enough. I'm not sure if the RWA Isabellina will. If possible, I strongly recommend you take your HE-6 along with a speaker adapter cable (or HE-Adapter, if you have one) to local hi-fi shops, and see how HE-6 plays out with the big speaker amps. It was really mindblowing for me. Then, you could try comparing the LCD-X with it. ;)

 

I used to use them on the speaker taps of a Bottlehead SEX, but recently sold the amp.  No plans to currently go down that path again.  The RWA is 5W of nearly infinite current capacity...direct from the battery rather than stored capacitance.  I also have the 8W Mjolnir.  If that's not enough, so be it.  

 

The HE-6's are a long-term loaner right now and I'm not going to buy another speaker amp just for them.  

 

But as I said, they sound very good.  I have no complaints.  I would't have tossed out the comments had someone not asked specifically.  

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Originally Posted by songmic View Post

Also, what is the general consensus on amping the LCD-X? I know these are overall easier to drive with a higher sensitivity, but I'm talking about matching sound signatures to create a synergistic effect.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe solid-state amps were generally favored with LCD-2 and 3 due to their warm, dark sound signature. The fact that many prefer silver aftermarket cables over copper with LCD-2/3 has to do with this, too.

However, since LCD-X is supposedly brighter and more airy, are tube amps preferred? Or, is it still an Audeze headphone nevertheless, and has a darker than neutral sound that makes it also a better match with solid-state amps and silver cables?

On a side note: One may argue that tube amps are bad for LCD-X since the LCD-X has a low impedance of 22 ohms and most tube amps - especially OTL amps - have high output impedance; however, the impedance of 22 ohms is purely resistive since it is a planar magnetic headphone, so one need not worry about distortion caused by low damping factor in this headphone.

Not sure there is a consensus, but my experience is the LCD-X behaves similarly to the LCD-2 as far as pairing with amps. The LCD-X has more coherent treble, but isn't a bright headphone. The Mjolnir still pairs very well with the LCD-X, unlike brighter headphones, which can sound shrill. I'd say that tubes vs. solid state would be based on personal preference and the synergy of the pairing, rather than a blanket recommendation.
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I generally prefer and neutral headphones, thats why i now have the HE6, but is way too bright and lacking in soundstage with Mjolnir,/Gungnir. 

 

Soo i guess if i got the guts to try HD800 to go with the Mjolnir i will be trying that combination soon, just not shure if the two can get along together :(

 

No matter how i toss and turn i will be craving a dark Audeze for enjoying bad master records too. 

LCD X sounds like one sweet headphone, but I'm a bass player so I'm leaning to the LCD3 also.. + it should be one awesome combo with the Mjolnir amp.

 

Cant get to listen to Audeze here in Denmark, DANG.. the choices.


Edited by Moonhead - 11/25/13 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by Moonhead View Post
 

I generally prefer and neutral headphones, thats why i now have the HE6, but is way too bright and lacking in soundstage with Mjolnir,/Gungnir. 

 

Soo i guess if i got the guts to try HD800 to go with the Mjolnir i will be trying that combination soon, just not shure if the two can get along together :(

 

No matter how i toss and turn i will be craving a dark Audeze for enjoying bad master records too. 

LCD X sounds like one sweet headphone, but I'm a bass player so I'm leaning to the LCD3 also.. + it should be one awesome combo with the Mjolnir amp.

 

Cant get to listen to Audeze here in Denmark, DANG.. the choices.


I used to play bass guitar--the LCD-X, definitely the LCD-X. Electric and acoustic bass are amazing on the LCD-X out of the Mjolnir--so tight and deep--haven't heard another headphone that surpasses the LCD-X bass.

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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

I just ordered the Ultrasones Ed. 12 (yes, I know...I must be nuts, but curiosity was killing me).  The next two headphones in line are the X and XC.  The Ultrasones will be in house tomorrow...and I'm a little bit scared, to say the least.

 

I just checked your equipment inventory - impressive!  I am also an Ed-8 owner and would be interested in your comparison of the Ed-12 vs. the Ed-8.  Thanks.

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