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Originally Posted by leesure View Post
 


I could not disagree more.

 

The transducer is the part of the chain that makes the greatest audible difference.

 

You can get musically satisfying sound from a Magni/Modi through a pair of LCD-X, but I don't care if you have an Esoteric DAC and a Studio6, you're still not going to save a pair of Beats. 

 

The rule of thumb for decades in speaker-fi has been to begin with a total budget.  Then allocate HALF to the speakers and the other half to source and amplification electronics. 

 

The beauty of head-fi is that the best transducers are still not going to cost what the best speakers will, relative to the electronics.  This means that you can allocate more money to the electronics, but you still need to start with the headphones. 

 

This is NOT to say that you shouldn't spend as much as (or more than) the headphones on the amp.  It's simply to point out that final link in this particular chain is the most important. 

 

In this case, the LCD-X is showing itself to be a worthy anchor to a musically wonderful system.  If you start there, even with inexpensive amplification, you have a great launching point to a system.  You can make subtle improvements along the way with source and amp changes, but the transducers will always give the electronics the opportunity to showcase their worth...or lack thereof.

Big +1 to this. One of the best headphone amps I have ever heard at meets is the Bryston, for me it outperforms a number of very expensive headphone amps (including all tube models). 

Historically the rule you state has been the recommendation in the US, while in Europe they tend to buy less expensive transducers and spend more on electronics. I am sure the trend has gotten much more blurred recently though with no consistency either in the US or in Europe.

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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

 

 

Yes, for any genre...it's open headphones all the way. But I need a pair of closed cans to drown out the kids or in-laws...so my TH-900s fit that bill very well. I am very curious to hear the XCs though to see if they give them a run for their money.

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Where's that review Peter....:popcorn:

Initial draft is done. Some final word smithing and photos...hopefully by week's end. Darn PS4 really put a wrench into my plans this weekend.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 11/17/13 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by footlianjia View Post
 

i think so,Pricing seems wonky though. IF you're gonna spend $1700 - what's another $300 for the LCD-3 really.thanks

pJgsrr

 

The pricing works because they're both different enough that preference of one or the other comes from which sound signature you prefer rather than raw performance.

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Originally Posted by sbradley02 View Post
 

Big +1 to this. One of the best headphone amps I have ever heard at meets is the Bryston, for me it outperforms a number of very expensive headphone amps (including all tube models). 

Historically the rule you state has been the recommendation in the US, while in Europe they tend to buy less expensive transducers and spend more on electronics. I am sure the trend has gotten much more blurred recently though with no consistency either in the US or in Europe.

You taking about the BHA-1. When you say it out-performs all tube models you mean you have heard amps like DNA Stratus and Eddie current and WA5 and the BHA-1 is better? I know its chalk and cheese but really


Edited by magiccabbage - 11/17/13 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by sbradley02 View Post
 

Big +1 to this. One of the best headphone amps I have ever heard at meets is the Bryston, for me it outperforms a number of very expensive headphone amps (including all tube models).

Historically the rule you state has been the recommendation in the US, while in Europe they tend to buy less expensive transducers and spend more on electronics. I am sure the trend has gotten much more blurred recently though with no consistency either in the US or in Europe.

Which Bryston model is this?

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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

You taking about the BHA-1. When you say it out-performs all tube models you mean you have heard amps like DNA Stratus and Eddie current and WA5 and the BHA-1 is better? I know its chalk and cheese but really


 I can't speak for the member who originally made this comment, but for my money the BHA-1 outperforms every tube amp I've owned -- including the EC Super 7, Liquid Fire, WA2 and lots more. Admittedly I haven't heard the very top tier of tube amps like DNA and higher-end EC models, but then again, I only paid $900 for my Bryston.

 

If and when the LCD-X graces my headphone stand, we'll see whether I feel the same way.

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Originally Posted by raddle View Post
 

Which Bryston model is this?

BHA-1 http://www.bryston.com/products/power_amps/BHA-1.html

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Originally Posted by Olias of Sunhillow View Post
 


 I can't speak for the member who originally made this comment, but for my money the BHA-1 outperforms every tube amp I've owned -- including the EC Super 7, Liquid Fire, WA2 and lots more. Admittedly I haven't heard the very top tier of tube amps like DNA and higher-end EC models, but then again, I only paid $900 for my Bryston.

 

If and when the LCD-X graces my headphone stand, we'll see whether I feel the same way.

Per the previous post, yes I am familiar with the Eddie Current and the WA5, and yes I prefer the Bryston - I was going to say I may be the only person on Head-Fi who felt that way but I guess not :D

 

I have owned planar speakers (for those not familiar, the equivalent of orthodynamics in the speaker world - electrostatics, planar magnetics, Heil and ribbons) since the 80s and after trying many different kinds of amplification, "big iron" high current solid state seems the way to go. One of the most revealing and also one of the hardest speaker brands to get sounding right are Magnepans. I used to own some (still the best speakers I have ever had, but they have their drawbacks) and have heard them a number of times at CES. And what brand amplifiers does Magenpan use at the shows? Drum roll...  Bryston! I personally don't own a Bryston BHA-1 (though I do have a 4BST-THX running my subs) but I was blown away when I had the pleasure of trying one out at a meet. It is a true "giant killer" IMO and deserves MUCH more credence at Head-Fi.


Edited by sbradley02 - 11/17/13 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by sbradley02 View Post
 

Per the previous post, yes I am familiar with the Eddie Current and the WA5, and yes I prefer the Bryston - I was going to say I may be the only person on Head-Fi who felt that way but I guess not :D

 

I have owned planar speakers (for those not familiar, the equivalent of orthodynamics in the speaker world - electrostatics, planar magnetics, Heil and ribbons) since the 80s and after trying many different kinds of amplification, "big iron" high current solid state seems the way to go. One of the most revealing and also one of the hardest speaker brands to get sounding right are Magnepans. I used to own some (still the best speakers I have ever had, but they have their drawbacks) and have heard them a number of times at CES. And what brand amplifiers does Magenpan use at the shows? Drum roll...  Bryston! I personally don't own a Bryston but I was blown away when I had the pleasure of trying one out at a meet. It is a true "giant killer" IMO and deserves MUCH more credence at Head-Fi.

 

I'm a huge fan of the Bryston BDA-2. :smile: (Great Canadian audio company too!)

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Yes, for any genre...it's open headphones all the way. But I need a pair of closed cans to drown out the kids or in-laws...so my TH-900s fit that bill very well. I am very curious to hear the XCs though to see if they give them a run for their money.
Initial draft is done. Some final word smithing and photos...hopefully by week's end. Darn PS4 really put a wrench into my plans this weekend.
About the TH-900 & XC, if we're talking about isolation, the XCs will isolate more for sure. But SQ, it's truly apples to oranges. I can easily see TH-900s to be TH-900 fans whilst XC lovers to like the new Audeze house sound. If there are any converts, I'd personally think they'll be in the minority.
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post


About the TH-900 & XC, if we're talking about isolation, the XCs will isolate more for sure. But SQ, it's truly apples to oranges. I can easily see TH-900s to be TH-900 fans whilst XC lovers to like the new Audeze house sound. If there are any converts, I'd personally think they'll be in the minority.

Thanks for that. I think I'm more worried about sound leakage...how do they compare in that way? 

 

Would you say the LCD-XC sound similar to the LCD-X (simply outstanding headphones)? If so, then I really need to hear a pair soon. :smile: 


Edited by MacedonianHero - 11/17/13 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

Thanks for that. I think I'm more worried about sound leakage...how do they compare in that way? 

 

Would you say the LCD-XC sound similar to the LCD-X (simply outstanding headphones)? If so, then I really need to hear a pair soon. :smile: 

 

I've had a chance to A/B them, and there is certainly a similarity to them (they sound closer to each other than to the other Audeze headphones), but the XC didn't sound as exciting. The XC is certainly an amazing accomplishment for closed headphones and probably the best mixing reference headphones I've ever heard, but to my ears the X is absolutely the better headphone and the one I would choose every time.

 

You definitely should hear a pair, though. They're an awesome closed headphone. Just because they aren't as good as the X (my favorite headphone) doesn't mean they aren't very good.


Edited by Taowolf51 - 11/17/13 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post
 

 

I've had a chance to A/B them, and there is certainly a similarity to them (they sound closer to each other than to the other Audeze headphones), but the XC didn't sound as exciting. The XC is certainly an amazing accomplishment for closed headphones and probably the best mixing reference headphones I've ever heard, but to my ears the X is absolutely the better headphone and the one I would choose every time.

 

You definitely should hear a pair, though. They're an awesome closed headphone. Just because they aren't as good as the X (my favorite headphone) doesn't mean they aren't very good.

 

 

Excellent. Thanks!


Edited by MacedonianHero - 11/17/13 at 7:50pm
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The XCs leak less naturally although audible externally at higher volumes.

I've actually not had the pleasure of listening to the X in the comfort of my home. I did listen to it briefly at Fujiya Show at the Audeze table. Can't say for sure in terms of similarity but to me, both depart from the former 2R2 & 3 signatures. I'm due to swap the XCs & X with Currawong some time soon in the next 10 days but I won't have both in my hands at the same time. He probably will so he could comment on it more on the similarities or differences between the two.
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

The XCs leak less naturally although audible externally at higher volumes.

I've actually not had the pleasure of listening to the X in the comfort of my home. I did listen to it briefly at Fujiya Show at the Audeze table. Can't say for sure in terms of similarity but to me, both depart from the former 2R2 & 3 signatures. I'm due to swap the XCs & X with Currawong some time soon in the next 10 days but I won't have both in my hands at the same time. He probably will so he could comment on it more on the similarities or differences between the two.

Thank you...consider me very interested now. 

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