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post #1261 of 4904

+1 for Camp Cizx

post #1262 of 4904
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Originally Posted by CrazyRay View Post
 

cixx, you are dead wrong.

The amp is as important as the headphone (actually more important).

The amp is what makes the headphones sing.
The more power you have the less distortion you will experience.

The amp should be the best that you can afford.

Then, you buy the best headphones you can afford.

 

But all of this is mute if you source is not the best it can be.

The saying is:
poop in poop out.


 

Well, you had me convinced until you said this is mute instead of this is moot. :atsmile:

 

Thing is, I want to agree with you, but I don't want to get overwhelmed thinking about the total cost of a sufficiently synergistic system.  So, I'm starting with the LCD-X.  They're $1699.  I hope I can find an amp for that much or less that does them enough justice to make me want to keep them.

 

For now, I ordered a WA7.  If that doesn't make me happy, I'll move on from there.

post #1263 of 4904
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

several things. its an ok combo but nothing amazing, thats about all im gonna say, otherwise everyone will retaliate and i don't feel like this is a battle i would wanna fight in, especially in the LCD-X thread which already has alot of non-constructive posts in it, don't want it to become another he-500 thread :confused_face:  but overall, after hearing what good tube amps can do with the audeze's as well as the GSX MK2, it kinda left me cold. 

 

 

+1 

 

i find the LCD-3 a significant step up from the 2's when properly amped. 

good tube amps with audeze, were you taking about the HPA5000?

post #1264 of 4904
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Originally Posted by cizx View Post
 

Well, you had me convinced until you said this is mute instead of this is moot. :atsmile:

 

Thing is, I want to agree with you, but I don't want to get overwhelmed thinking about the total cost of a sufficiently synergistic system.  So, I'm starting with the LCD-X.  They're $1699.  I hope I can find an amp for that much or less that does them enough justice to make me want to keep them.

 

For now, I ordered a WA7.  If that doesn't make me happy, I'll move on from there.

I didn't agree with him - but the "mute" instead of "moot" is always going to cause some concern as regards the authority of the speaker/writer (even subconsciously, and whether correctly or incorrectly).

 

There is also the statement that the "amplifier is what makes the headphones sing", which could just as easily be reversed to become "the headphones are what make the amplifier sing".  Neither component "sings" much without the other, really !

 

Whilst it is tempting to state that the source is the most important thing (ie. "Garbage in = garbage out"), who buys a DAC which is "garbage" in the first place ?  The relative differences between good DACS is arguably less than the relative differences between good transducers. Really, the system needs to be considered as a whole, and allocating a higher proportion of your funds to the headphones is an absolutely valid choice.

 

However, common sense is required ... I wouldn't buy an Abyss over the LCD3 if I was using the built-in sound card from my computer, for instance.

 

I would also not buy a $10,000 DAC and a Cavalli LAu if the only headphones I had were "Beats" by Dr DRE.  :biggrin: 

post #1265 of 4904

Disclaimer: Please forgive me for not reading the entire thread. 

 

I have never heard Audeze headphones but have always been interested in them. I've never gone forward because of what I've read of their tonal balance and the fact that they needed strong amplification.

 

I have just read that the X will work with portable devices and are much less dark sounding.

 

I am wondering if these will work with my AK100 (modded by Red Wine Audio).  

 

Has anyone tried these on a decent portable player?

 

Thanks in advance.

post #1266 of 4904
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Originally Posted by CrazyRay View Post
 

cixx, you are dead wrong.

The amp is as important as the headphone (actually more important).

The amp is what makes the headphones sing.
The more power you have the less distortion you will experience.

The amp should be the best that you can afford.

Then, you buy the best headphones you can afford.

 

But all of this is mute if you source is not the best it can be.

The saying is:
poop in poop out.


 


I could not disagree more.

 

The transducer is the part of the chain that makes the greatest audible difference.

 

You can get musically satisfying sound from a Magni/Modi through a pair of LCD-X, but I don't care if you have an Esoteric DAC and a Studio6, you're still not going to save a pair of Beats. 

 

The rule of thumb for decades in speaker-fi has been to begin with a total budget.  Then allocate HALF to the speakers and the other half to source and amplification electronics. 

 

The beauty of head-fi is that the best transducers are still not going to cost what the best speakers will, relative to the electronics.  This means that you can allocate more money to the electronics, but you still need to start with the headphones. 

 

This is NOT to say that you shouldn't spend as much as (or more than) the headphones on the amp.  It's simply to point out that final link in this particular chain is the most important. 

 

In this case, the LCD-X is showing itself to be a worthy anchor to a musically wonderful system.  If you start there, even with inexpensive amplification, you have a great launching point to a system.  You can make subtle improvements along the way with source and amp changes, but the transducers will always give the electronics the opportunity to showcase their worth...or lack thereof.

post #1267 of 4904
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

good tube amps with audeze, were you taking about the HPA5000?

no.

post #1268 of 4904
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Originally Posted by CrazyRay View Post
 

cixx, you are dead wrong.

The amp is as important as the headphone (actually more important).

The amp is what makes the headphones sing.
The more power you have the less distortion you will experience.

The amp should be the best that you can afford.

Then, you buy the best headphones you can afford.

 

But all of this is mute if you source is not the best it can be.

The saying is:
poop in poop out.


 

 

 

Plus One

 

I agree with you, totally.  Clearly you know what you're talking about.  

 

YMMV, IMHO, FWIW, Agree to Disagree, Musicality, Transparency, PRAT, OMGWTFBBQ.

post #1269 of 4904

I have been hesitating to get into this discussion, but maybe this will be helpful.

 

 

As some of you may already be aware, I introduced an amp to other head-fiers, and people have had VERY good success with it. It's the TBI Millenia, which is an integrated power amp. When combined with a resistor box, which the engineer who designed the amp is willing to put together for your particular headphones, the sound is impeccable. The person who owns the company and is also the designer is the most helpful person I have ever come across in my 35 years or so involvement with home audio. His name is Jan Plummer. I am going to include some links about the amp that you can check out if you like.  He offers a 30 day home trial period. The amp costs $500 and the resistor box he will put together for you is $100. If you wanted to create your own resistor box, he could suggest to you what resistor values to experiment with to match the needs of your headphones. The idea is to lower the gain level of the amp so that it is a pure, black background. If you want to disregard this amp as an option for whatever reason - that's fine. But with all this talk about spending thousands on headphone amps, it would seem like saving some money and having the opportunity to try this amp out at home would be an attractive option.

 

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue67/tbi_millenia.htm

 

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=108242.0

 

http://www.tbisound.com/dsp_products_millenia.asp

 

You can read Gary in MD's  review of the Millenia if you scroll down a bit. He uses Audeze LCD3s:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/649107/speaker-amps-for-headphones/495

 

There's much more on the web about the Millenia, including a new thread on audiocircle that deals with the latest iteration of the amp, as well as how some head-fiers are now using it.

 

By the way, don't hesitate to call or email Jan Plummer with any questions. He is really into this stuff. (He picks up the phone when you call TBI).

 

best

Stew

post #1270 of 4904

The LCD-X is continuing to wow me. With good quality recordings, the LCD-X is a revelation in transparency, dynamics and balance. Where LCD-2.2 is dark, but not objectionably so, the LCD-X is completely neutral. The treble registers are more present and coherent than the LCD-2.2, but seamlessly integrated into the overall signature. Some headphones (e.g., many in the Beyer line) strike me as having a disconnected treble peaks that stand off on their own. The LCD-X frequency response seems exceptionally balanced, with the treble (and other parts of the spectrum) tightly integrated with the overall sound. The combination of balanced frequency response with the accuracy of the LCD-X is impressive.

 

Listening to Julia Fischer performing playing Bach violin concertos with the Academy of St Martin in the Fields, her violin is melodic, sweet, and powerful, without any glare or stridency. The harpsichord notes are delicate and defined, the cellos, rich and musical. I'm in the concert hall listening.


Edited by Barry S - 11/16/13 at 10:43am
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And how about recordings that are not expertly recorded?

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

And how about recordings that are not expertly recorded?


No question, the LCD-Xs are more revealing of flaws.  I love the new Arcade Fire album, but the mix seems off, and it suffers with the LCD-2's and LCD-Xs.  Still enjoyable, but the HD650, with its ability to mask poor recordings--is better for me. In recordings where the treble is hot and distorted, the LCD-X lays everything bare. The lushness and finely rendered reverb prevent the LCD-X from being an analytical or dry headphone, but flaws aren't masked.

post #1273 of 4904
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Originally Posted by Barry S View Post
 

The LCD-X is continuing to wow me. With good quality recordings, the LCD-X is a revelation in transparency, dynamics and balance. Where LCD-2.2 is dark, but not objectionably so, the LCD-X is completely neutral. The treble registers are more present and coherent than the LCD-2.2, but seamlessly integrated into the overall signature. Some headphones (e.g., many in the Beyer line) strike me as having a disconnected treble peaks that stand off on their own. The LCD-X frequency response seems exceptionally balanced, with the treble (and other parts of the spectrum) tightly integrated with the overall sound. The combination of balanced frequency response with the accuracy of the LCD-X is impressive.

 

Listening to Julia Fischer performing playing Bach violin concertos with the Academy of St Martin in the Fields, her violin is melodic, sweet, and powerful, without any glare or stridency. The harpsichord notes are delicate and defined, the cellos, rich and musical. I'm in the concert hall listening.

 

I really pay attention to the way someone reacts to a new headphone (or whatever) and I like that several of you are having the very same experience. So many times you'll hear from someone who purchases their new toy and just raves about it on the day they get it, and then their feedback sort of fizzles from there. Then you have those folks like yourself, Dan, and MH, who seem to be immersing more and more into the X's capabilities the more time you spend with it...and that gets me fired up. Each of you has seemingly become more impressed as you distance yourself from Day One and as you expose yourself to a larger number of tracks. This is exactly what happened with me and the LCD-2s...with each passing day I was more and more impressed with what I was hearing, which is not always the case as we all know. 

 

Keep the feedback coming...I suspect each of you still has a LOT more to discover about these phones...can't wait to live vicariously until I get my hands on a pair of my own :)

post #1274 of 4904
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Originally Posted by m17xr2b View Post
 

Is it worth the extra 700$ for the LCD-X over the LCD-2? I know that the LCD-3 are about 20% better than the LCD-2 but what about the LCD-X?

 

I asked myself that very same question.  Now that I have both an LCD-2.2 and LCD-3 from the headphone library I see how ridiculous it is to quantify the percent difference between the two.  The LCD-3 has significantly better treble, sound staging and is smoother (less punchy).  The difference between the two are not subtle IMHO, and I'm not one to split hairs.  I really wanted to like the LCD-2.2 better because it was so much cheaper.  For me, the $700 or so price difference is close enough to splurge on the LCD-3, assuming you like the Audeze flavor.  It partly depends on how important treble reproduction and soundstaging are to you.  I actually think the soundstaging on the HE-500 is much better than the LCD-3.

 

Back when Grados were popular, I think it was easier to quantify the differences because they all used the same driver, they were just tuned differently, i.e. the RS-1s were x% better than the RS-2s, etc...


Edited by PuffyElvis - 11/16/13 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

Guys, I cannot get enough of LCD-X on this song . The voice is so clean, so transparent and the sound so well balanced. It is incredible. Try this one too .

You have great taste in music.  I've listened to a few of your recommendations and it's completely turned me on to some new stuff I would have never discovered otherwise.  Keep them coming!

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