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Bingo!  :smile:  Not sure it was obvious, but the new LCD-X is not a wood model.  Wood, especially premium wood, especially premium zebrawood (or bamboo, or whatever) is EXPENSIVE!

If this is true I applaud Audez'e for making the decision to give a cheaper better sounding headphone instead using exotic wood and pricing it at the LCD-3 level. Bravo!

 

These X headphones have the look of premium studio tools, while the LCD-3 looks like a toy for rich boys and girls.

post #92 of 361
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Hopefully with much better quality than the originals. But in the end, I think these are just all rumours, no?
Well i dont know ...what i do know is this: around june i contacted hifiman concerning amping the he6...by email... And more as a joke i replied them on my 3rd mail: and when ru going to give us new models..and the (senior) customer service representative who was mailing me said that they are working on a few new models also higher up models..tha would be introduced next year..but surprise surprise there the iem models popped up recently..now we just have to put our feet on the table and wait what else they have in store for us... Maybe they are wrinkeling out problems in. Production of the new models..so we wont get the same problems they had with the he400? Who knows..its all guessing.. But new models are in the pipeline..they told me myself in a mail.. But when???? redface.gif
post #93 of 361
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Hopefully with much better quality than the originals. But in the end, I think these are just all rumours, no?
Yeah i heard about crackings and all other thingies..but some consider them among the best sounding headphones ever produced..pity i never had the opertunity to listen to one..biggrin.gif
post #94 of 361
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

If this is true I applaud Audez'e for making the decision to give a cheaper better sounding headphone instead using exotic wood and pricing it at the LCD-3 level. Bravo!

 

These X headphones have the look of premium studio tools, while the LCD-3 looks like a toy for rich boys and girls.

 

Better...LoL, you haven't heard them?...The LCD-3s have been out for 2 years now and likely costed down quite a bit as a result (like all manufactured products do) and yet Audeze keeps them at a higher price...for a reason.;) New products typically cost more due to paying for R&D, new tooling, new marketing, etc...  I've worked in manufacturing for my entire career and know this cycle very, very well. If it makes you feel better that you can get a cheaper headphone and it might be better...keep telling that to your wallet. :p I'm gonna wait until they're released and see how they measure and sound before passing judgment. 

 

Looks like Audeze is really rounding out their stable of products and I commend them for it.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 10/4/13 at 9:15pm
post #95 of 361
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Better...LoL, you haven't heard them?...The LCD-3s have been out for 2 years now and likely costed down quite a bit as a result (like all manufactured products do) and yet Audeze keeps them at a higher price...for a reason.;) New products typically cost more due to paying for R&D, new tooling, new marketing, etc...  I've worked in manufacturing for my entire career and know this very, very well. If it makes you feel better that you can get a cheaper headphone and it might be better...keep telling that to your wallet. :p

 

Nevermind:

 

The reason this whole "better" conversation came up is because of the actual people who heard the X seem to imply it. Sorry if I read something that was not there. At least for the moment there is the possibility that the X can be better. We won't know until long after release and all hype has faded which might take a while. Plus the price difference really isn't all that great. A man who can buy a $1700 phone can also buy a $1945 phone. It'll just come down to tonality preference or most will own both or all three/four.


Edited by M-13 - 10/4/13 at 9:18pm
post #96 of 361

Lots of interesting products.  :)

post #97 of 361
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Bingo!  :smile:  Not sure it was obvious, but the new LCD-X is not a wood model.  Wood, especially premium wood, especially premium zebrawood (or bamboo, or whatever) is EXPENSIVE!

 

If this is true I applaud Audez'e for making the decision to give a cheaper better sounding headphone instead using exotic wood and pricing it at the LCD-3 level. Bravo!

 

These X headphones have the look of premium studio tools, while the LCD-3 looks like a toy for rich boys and girls.

 

It's funny that you say that.  I think that on some level, they were inspired by pro audio a bit.

 

I'm all for using exotic materials, if that is what is needed deliver certain sonic characteristics.  But if it's a cosmetic thing, then I am fine with saying begone you carcass of a dead plant!

 

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

If this is true I applaud Audez'e for making the decision to give a cheaper better sounding headphone instead using exotic wood and pricing it at the LCD-3 level. Bravo!

 

These X headphones have the look of premium studio tools, while the LCD-3 looks like a toy for rich boys and girls.

 

Better...LoL, you haven't heard them?...The LCD-3s have been out for 2 years now and likely costed down quite a bit as a result (like all manufactured products do) and yet Audeze keeps them at a higher price...for a reason.;) New products typically cost more due to paying for R&D, new tooling, new marketing, etc...  I've worked in manufacturing for my entire career and know this very, very well. If it makes you feel better that you can get a cheaper headphone and it might be better...keep telling that to your wallet. :p 

 

I've heard them.  And IMO, they sound better.  That happens to be an opinion that is also shared by others that have heard them, including Jude, Mercer, and HiFiGuy528.  :smile:


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post #98 of 361
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No need to analyize my mental state or my financial state. Not sure why you keep searching for motives that are not there at all.

 

If I wanted to be like you I can also say you're bias because you already spent money on the LCD-3 and don't want to see a product that is better for cheaper. Or say you don't have enough money because of your recent venturing into Stax land. All of this would be just as unfounded as your accusation at me.

 

I am not biased...I mentioned I'm reserving judgement for the product's release, measurements and I get to hear them. Sorry, but your comments of jumping to conclusions for the cheaper headphones that you just found out about today in a brief video and "your toys for rich boys and girls" comment just seemed really out of place to me. If that's not what you intended, then I apologize, but why make those statements...especially the latter one?

 

My SR-009s get the vast majority of my head-time. Trust me...the LCD-X/LCD-XCs are no issue for me to pick up and I've been toying with adding an SR-007 into the mix too. But as mentioned, why bother with a more "traditionally" neutral headphone when I own both the SR-009s and HD800s? And as mentioned, the LCD-2/3 voicing is so unique, I'm not sure I want an Audeze with a "different" and "more traditionally brighter" sound, that and Audeze hasn't had the greatest track record for new product releases....so I'll sit back and see how things go.

 

IF they sound/measure appreciably better, then I might pick up a pair...but I'm not jumping to conclusions on a pair of headphones just announced for a few minutes by Jude today. FWIW, my LCD-3s would still be with me too.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 10/4/13 at 9:32pm
post #99 of 361

I guess a more accurate way of saying my opinion about the looks:

 

LCD-X = Industrial

LCD-3 = Luxury

 

Now that's better than saying one is a studio tool and the other a toy for the rich.

post #100 of 361

I for one truly believe the LCD-X will be on the same level as the LCD-3 if not better for a few reasons.

 

1. The LCD-3 is a two year old product and the company must strive to innovate.

2. The LCD-3 with its zebra wood is a luxury good, and that wood alone marks up the price. Save on the luxury, focus on the sound (I'm being optimistic! :cool:)

3. Early impressions indicate that it's more neutral which is necessarily a + in my opinion.

 

I've been thinking of getting the LCD3's again recently, but now I'm going to wait! Also curious to hear the closed back phone!

post #101 of 361
What if the LCD-X/C is the replacement for LCD-3? Nothing wrong with discontinuing the LCD-3. evil_smiley.gif
post #102 of 361

we will have to see... pointless to jump to conclusions now until people have given impressions and enough people have heard them, after RMAF.

post #103 of 361
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What if the LCD-X/C is the replacement for LCD-3? Nothing wrong with discontinuing the LCD-3. evil_smiley.gif

 

Why discontinuing? There are people who actually do not have 2000USD to spend on headphones... K812, LCD-X, LCD-XC, possible electrostats from Sennheiser and Hifiman - all these are going to be extremely expensive. They could just discount their recent offerings to reach larger market.

 

I personally own HD800 and I love them for so many things and therefore I am for sure waiting to see whether K812 or LCD-X could rival HD800 in terms of soundstage, neutrality, technical qualitty, comfort etc. On the other hand, I for sure do not have money to spend on a new high end headphone every year or two (I worked hard to get HD800)...

 

Are the prices going to be even higher in the future? Like current flagships staying around 700-1499USD for the next 10 years and future flagships to be for like 1500-3000USD or even higher? Are Sennheiser/Audeze/Hifiman/Beyerdynamic etc. going to be the ultra high-end market (1500-3000USD or higher) while brands like Phillips, Shure or Sony releasing more affordable "high-end" (700-1499USD)?

post #104 of 361
Take it easy, I'm just speculating. smily_headphones1.gif Jude's video says the LCD-X will be $1699 and LCD-XC will be $1799, both of which are a bit cheaper than LCD-3. IMHO, LCD-3 has to be either better or at least different sounding to stay relevant.
post #105 of 361

Yeah, it's all good.  :smile:  We were all just chatting, albeit in a somewhat excited state after all that news in the vid.  No worries.

 

Besides, at the first sign of trouble, I'm ready to whip out my own version of Currawong's "Currawong is watching" gif... to help calm things down:

 


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