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post #181 of 361
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I hope LCD-X will be easier to drive.  

 

This was what stopped me from buying the LCD3.  I would have had to invest in a whole new rig  :(

post #182 of 361
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Wait, I missed something...
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I hope LCD-X will be easier to drive.  
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The more expensive it is the harder it is to drive.

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That's for the LCD-XC though... I think he meant the LCD-X?

Oh, for some reason I assumed they'll be the same in that regard. I guess we'll see.
Edited by gevorg - 10/5/13 at 11:40pm
post #183 of 361
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From what you've heard, do the X/XC have significantly different voicings relative to the 2/3's? Because that's the thing that's being boasted by Jude, that the X at least is much more neutral-sounding than the wood Audezes.

 

Not that I could really tell based on my informal listening. But that's really nothing to go by anymore, as I'm sure the production versions probably sound different than the prototypes that I heard. I have no idea about neutrality either as I didn't get to listen long to them.

 

And no disrespect to Jude, but everyone has their own subjective idea of neutrality, and he praises everything that he hears too. He never says anything bad about anything, that sorta just goes with someone in his position. So folks should at least be aware of that context, if not taking his words with a grain of salt.

 

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Interesting. Do you happen to prefer AD2000 to LCD-2/3? Just asking based on your profile.

 

Yes I prefer the AD2K over the LCD-2/LCD-3, though the LCD-3 did get really close to almost unseating the AD2K as a personal favorite. I went into more detail in my LCD-3 review, which it sounds like you missed: http://www.head-fi.org/t/594426/mini-review-audeze-lcd-3-vs-lcd-2-r2-sr-007-et-al

post #184 of 361
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Originally Posted by Viper2005 View Post
 

 

This was what stopped me from buying the LCD3.  I would have had to invest in a whole new rig  :(

 

The LCD3 is not hard to drive nor does it require that you dollar-cost-average-invest-to-zero a new rig. A $99 Schitt amp drives it fine.

post #185 of 361

Yes the old SRD transformers do a decent job but they will never be quite a good as a dedicated amplifier

Its like all things in audio, diminishing returns. Just because some kit costs three or four times the price does not mean it will offer four times the performance

If you look at the cost of a BHSE ($5500) and an SRD7 ($300), I would estimate you get at least 80% of the performance of the BH at a fraction of the cost if you have a decent power amplifier. You need to factor in the cost of the power amp but its still offers great bang for the buck, However; if you want that last ounce of performance from the Stax then there is no substitute IMHO for something like the BHSE, T2 or KGSSHV.

 

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The convertor itself sounds like nothing at all. Very neutral/transparent. They SR007s get the sound signature of the various components likes tubes on the amplifier (which in turn is very transparent) and that of the PWD2. I was trying to decide whether to go for a BHSE or Electra and this was supposed to be a solution for the meanwhile. Surprinsingly, maybe due the negative atitude in the Stax threads towards converters, I am very very pleased. Imo the SR007s sound significantly more transparent (the sound is VERY emotionally engaging, clean, clear, drivers well controlled and precise attack/decays, none of that lenient laid backness you can sometimes get with SR007 on lesser gear) than either of the HD800s and LCD-3s on the same rig, it can't be a bad solution for the stats. The Taboo is a VERY good SET speakers amp. I know this as I am also driving my horns with it.

 

 

I know what you mean. I admit to a preference to the planar sound (is it that texture?) more so than many/most dynamics.

 

 

Yes. Let's talk about the all new high-end Sennheisers. :wink_face:

post #186 of 361

Its called scepticism :D

We have seen it so many times before with the hype train. Todays wonder phone soon becomes yesterdays has been 

 

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Anti-hype seems to be very popular these days. Head-fi is all about passion for me, and that passion often translates to excitement and hope that something cool is on the horizon. If the X is actually a good product, regardless of whether it is eventually judged as better than the LCD-3, all this excitement and "hype" is warranted. Not sure why people get upset over hype. There is nothing wrong with hype and excitement. Nobody is making you spend your money and you don't need to guard other people's wallets--they have brains too. It's their call. You can hold onto your money and sketicism until a thousand reviews pour in for all I care. I don't come to Head-Fi to have a cold bucket of water thrown on me with a stark objective reality check. Work and life is boring as it is. If my hobby can't get me excited or hyped it's not worth it. I actually went to bed last night smiling because of the X. What other hobby can make me do that? So what if it becomes a dissapointment in the end. Most things in life are anyway.

post #187 of 361
It's funny how highly positive early impressions can do about the opposite of the original intent, e.g. make people run far far away smily_headphones1.gif. At least that's what it made me feel.

I will be waiting for the lcd-x, got a feeling it wont be such a long wait until it makes it over to japan. If it's that good to sway me away from stax (else make me feel it brings something else to the table than my 007mk1 &
009 do), then I'll really warmly congratulate Audeze on the terrific job they're doing.

For now, I given the reaction I had with the LCD3 when it made it here, I am maybe not highly skeptical but let say, curious.

The pitching of high end cans against a supposedly oversharpened / clinical sounding 009 is very cliche though, and using exclusively subjective qualifiers (even though I understand one may just relate to what is moving) is hardly useful to anyone as, really, a koss porta-pro can move me for about just any music I throw at it.
post #188 of 361
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Don't over analyze. Hype = initial interest on Head-fi. That's it.

 

If the product sucks then it'll be ripped apart by people soon enough.

post #189 of 361
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I don't the know the old SRD transformers, I am using the Woo Wee as per sig.

post #190 of 361

I am sure that the LCD-X will be a great product, however I am not sure, actually i really don't think LCD-3 will be obsolete next to it, just different.

 

I am curious about the source on which the listeners heard the LCD-X. If it was the dcs vivaldi or msb analog dac/diamond...etc and the last source they listened to lcd3 was a lesser one...well that would explain a lot :))

 

When I had analog dac for the review the difference with both lcd3 & hd800 was amazing compared to my conductor :P 

post #191 of 361
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

From what you've heard, do the X/XC have significantly different voicings relative to the 2/3's? Because that's the thing that's being boasted by Jude, that the X at least is much more neutral-sounding than the wood Audezes.

 

What I said in the video:

 

[The LCD-X] has a signature that, to my ears, is more neutral than my LCD-3. The bass sounds a bit flatter…and actually you know what this reminds me of is if Audeze was making a studio monitor...that's what [the LCD-X] sounds like to me...

 

What's nice is that they differentiated it in terms of voicing [relative to the LCD-3]…

 

In terms of resolution I find it right up there with the LCD-3...

 

In some ways, because of its tonal balance, when i'm the mood for something a little more neutral sounding [than the LCD-3], the LCD-X has been pretty stunning.

 

The LCD-X we had here was more neutral sounding than my LCD-3. Which do I prefer? Right now, I'd have to give my personal nod to the LCD-X. Am I selling my LCD-3? No way. The LCD-3's bass is, to me, something very special, and harder hitting than the LCD-X prototype that was here; and I'm not willing to give that up completely, so I won't.

 

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....And no disrespect to Jude, but everyone has their own subjective idea of neutrality, and he praises everything that he hears too. He never says anything bad about anything, that sorta just goes with someone in his position. So folks should at least be aware of that context, if not taking his words with a grain of salt...

 

I praise everything I hear? That couldn't be less true. What I do choose to discuss or write about (like in the videos or the buying guide) are things I've listened to and liked. As any visitor to my office knows, far more gear--far more gear--comes through here that I don't cover than that which I do. There are days it looks like the 7th floor of Yodobashi Camera got shoehorned in here.

 

I do agree with you that my opinions--and the opinions of any other single person--should be taken with a grain of salt. My opinion is never anything more than one man's opinion--one more data point--and I'll never claim otherwise.

 

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...Yes I prefer the AD2K over the LCD-2/LCD-3, though the LCD-3 did get really close to almost unseating the AD2K as a personal favorite. I went into more detail in my LCD-3 review, which it sounds like you missed: http://www.head-fi.org/t/594426/mini-review-audeze-lcd-3-vs-lcd-2-r2-sr-007-et-al

 

 

This is simply one example where our opinions differ wildly. While I think the Audio-Technica ATH-AD2000 is nice, my opinion is that either the LCD-2 or LCD-3 is the clearly superior headphone. Is it something I'd argue about, though? No. I trust you to call it how you hear it, and I call it how I hear it. And, when we do that, grains of salt for everyone.

post #192 of 361
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Originally Posted by jude View Post
 

 

What I said in the video:

 

[The LCD-X] has a signature that, to my ears, is more neutral than my LCD-3. The bass sounds a bit flatter…and actually you know what this reminds me of is if Audeze was making a studio monitor...that's what [the LCD-X] sounds like to me...

 

What's nice is that they differentiated it in terms of voicing [relative to the LCD-3]…

 

In terms of resolution I find it right up there with the LCD-3...

 

In some ways, because of its tonal balance, when i'm the mood for something a little more neutral sounding [than the LCD-3], the LCD-X has been pretty stunning.

 

The LCD-X we had here was more neutral sounding than my LCD-3. Which do I prefer? Right now, I'd have to give my personal nod to the LCD-X. Am I selling my LCD-3? No way. The LCD-3's bass is, to me, something very special, and harder hitting than the LCD-X prototype that was here; and I'm not willing to give that up completely, so I won't.

 

 

I praise everything I hear? That couldn't be less true. What I do choose to discuss or write about (like in the videos or the buying guide) are things I've listened to and liked. As any visitor to my office knows, far more gear--far more gear--comes through here that I don't cover than that which I do. There are days it looks like the 7th floor of Yodobashi Camera got shoehorned in here.

 

I do agree with you that my opinions--and the opinions of any other single person--should be taken with a grain of salt. My opinion is never anything more than one man's opinion--one more data point--and I'll never claim otherwise.

 

 

This is simply one example where our opinions differ wildly. While I think the Audio-Technica ATH-AD2000 is nice, my opinion is that either the LCD-2 or LCD-3 is the clearly superior headphone. Is it something I'd argue about, though? No. I trust you to call it how you hear it, and I call it how I hear it. And, when we do that, grains of salt for everyone.

 

Actually I considered your words on the new Audeze products the most because they seemed the most down to earth :), no offense to the others ... ( I had my hype/excitement moments as well :P )


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 10/6/13 at 5:05am
post #193 of 361
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I am sure that the LCD-X will be a great product, however I am not sure, actually i really don't think LCD-3 will be obsolete next to it, just different.

 

 

The more I read about it the more this comparison comes to mind: HD600 vs HD650. They have a lot in common, but one is cheaper, more neutral, closer to reference, the other one has more warmness, bass, euphony. I think the jury is still out after these many years to decide which one is the best. If I am right this will be very interesting with the LCD-X vs LCD-3s. A good problem to have for Audeze nevertheless. :D


Edited by negura - 10/6/13 at 4:44am
post #194 of 361
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The more I read about it the more this comparison comes to mind: HD600 vs HD650. They have a lot in common, but one is cheaper, more neutral, closer to reference, the other one has more warmness, bass, euphony. I think the jury is still out to decide after these many years to decide which one is the best. If I am right this will be very interesting with the LCD-X vs LCD-3s. A good problem to have for Audeze nevertheless. biggrin.gif
I didn't bother for the 600/650 jury deliberation so I bought both ;-)
post #195 of 361

HD650 do not come even close to HD600... HD650 are just too veiled and extremely slow :-) I was totally shocked that HD600 are better in every single aspect, including comfort and price.

 

IMHO :) 

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