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post #151 of 35472
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The VSONIC VSD1LE is making me consider selling off my Hifiman RE-400. They don't sound much different, and both can EQ subbass very well. I may even prefer them to my Monster Gratitudes.

 

Too many headphones/earphones in my collection. I need to have a big sell off soon.

post #152 of 35472
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Imho ...many iem or headphone share or look very similar in housing whether they are branded or not . Every person is entitled to their opinion whether they want to go for this brand or that brand and only buy from authorized retailer or distributor. So if one is weary or doubtful if their purchases is a knock off ...the best way is to buy direct from a reputable shop.

I think for this thread ...it is for people who want to explore other similar products without the big price tag for branded stuff . I would not go as far as saying there are knock off as long as they don't package in the iem/headphone in the original retail box or have the name of the particular brand in printed in the products.

For me ..the experience of discovering and enjoying these pursuit of sound ...have been satisfying. Where i am from ...branded products are sold at a premium price and not many choice of brands are available. So the only alternative is thru the web and forum like this which have been a great source of information and very helpful fellow headfier. Also liking very much of some of the Chinese made stuff that I own and finally got my first branded MP3 player ie.Fiio X3 ...for me that is treat because dont have budget to spend more and already spending more than I should since joining Head-Fi.

I previously owned an original Yuin PK3 which gave up on me after 6 months of usage and handle with care (me first branded IEM) ...decided to look for another one while browsing the website and found one seller on eBay selling DIY PK2 which was selling at fraction of the price of the original . Having received them and have been using them for almost a year and still going strong. The cable used is of a better quality and heat shrinked tubing re-inforced and the jack is replaced with Pallics jack. All in all I like it better than the original in term of sound and build quality. What I am trying to say ...I don't even want to know whether they are original or knock off but just that I have an IEM that I enjoy very much.

i have also purchased many different brands such ad Awei ,Kanen,XKDUN and JBM because they represent value for money and currently it meet my requirement in my pursuit of good sound. Maybe in time when I have the expertise of so called Golden Ear or my preference for sound have evolved to a point where my current collection don't meet my requirement and most of all where my budget/wallet allowed me to ...i would go for stuff like on some thread where fellow head-fier spent thousand on IEM or headphone which i can only dream of.

Thanks a lot for bhazard for starting this thread.

 

After thinking about this a lot, I think that what defines a knock off is the makers' intention in creating it - was he going for making the same looking product disregarding the products purpose, which is to sound good only to make money or creating something new and improved based on a platform that already exists (i.e. mr. speakers). But in my opinion using the same model names and numbers as the original product is wrong cause it sends a negative message.

 

Wokei, I come from a place very similar to yours - Sennheiser, AKG, Audio Technica and Beats are the only brands that people familiar with and they cost a fortune. Lately some businesses started to import some Takstar and Superlux but they sell them at 2 or 3 times the price online. People here are very old fashioned and don't trust the Chinese brands because of the bad QC they had in the 90's.

post #153 of 35472
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These Knowledge Zenith guys really know how to make an IEM. Just got in the KZ-A1, and it also sounds pretty awesome, especially for $15. If anyone knows which in ear it is modeled off of, I'd love to know. Seems like a Sennheiser type. Any ideas?

 

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Diy-ear-earphones-ultra-high-bass-earplugs-kz-new-arrival-a1/1321338465.html

 

The bass... my god the bass is so deep and clear. These crap all over anything in the $15 price range. This may even be their own design.

 

What color did you get?

post #154 of 35472
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What color did you get?

The Tungsten gray. Looks great. The lighter silver color looks very nice too. It is very "iPhone aluminum" like with its aluminum alloy. It should be stronger and less prone to scratches being an alloy as well.

post #155 of 35472
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After thinking about this a lot, I think that what defines a knock off is the makers' intention in creating it - was he going for making the same looking product disregarding the products purpose, which is to sound good only to make money or creating something new and improved based on a platform that already exists (i.e. mr. speakers). But in my opinion using the same model names and numbers as the original product is wrong cause it sends a negative message.

Wokei, I come from a place very similar to yours - Sennheiser, AKG, Audio Technica and Beats are the only brands that people familiar with and they cost a fortune. Lately some businesses started to import some Takstar and Superlux but they sell them at 2 or 3 times the price online. People here are very old fashioned and don't trust the Chinese brands because of the bad QC they had in the 90's.

The intention of the makers ...ah ...is something we cant control cuz there will always be people trying to make cheap knock off and trying to pass off as original. That is why buying online require research and patience trying to hold back when it is too good to be true. Also there are people who buy knock off and that is why there are market for it.

With that whenever I buy some China or Asian brand with affordable pricing...I always set my expectation low and not to expect too much especially as you and me are from countries that don't have the luxury of some counties with Amazon or where the retailer are based in US. For example always wanted to try out Monoprice 8320 which cost USD 8 but with shipping cost double the purchase price ...never did pull the trigger until I got it via my sister's friend who resides in NYC who came back for holiday. Tried to buy it locally also cost more than buying via online plus shipping cost.

Currently very happy with my collection consisting mainly of China / Asian brand ...I don't support support knock off product but those who create or improved based on platform that already exist ...yes why not because it is a better product at the end of it.
post #156 of 35472
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The Tungsten gray. Looks great. The lighter silver color looks very nice too. It is very "iPhone aluminum" like with its aluminum alloy. It should be stronger and less prone to scratches being an alloy as well.

What type of cable ? What do you think of the build quality ? We know from you the bass is good but about the mid and high ...some impression and pic would be nice .

Thanks.
post #157 of 35472
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Originally Posted by Wokei View Post

The intention of the makers ...ah ...is something we cant control cuz there will always be people trying to make cheap knock off and trying to pass off as original. That is why buying online require research and patience trying to hold back when it is too good to be true. Also there are people who buy knock off and that is why there are market for it.

With that whenever I buy some China or Asian brand with affordable pricing...I always set my expectation low and not to expect too much especially as you and me are from countries that don't have the luxury of some counties with Amazon or where the retailer are based in US. For example always wanted to try out Monoprice 8320 which cost USD 8 but with shipping cost double the purchase price ...never did pull the trigger until I got it via my sister's friend who resides in NYC who came back for holiday. Tried to buy it locally also cost more than buying via online plus shipping cost.

Currently very happy with my collection consisting mainly of China / Asian brand ...I don't support support knock off product but those who create or improved based on platform that already exist ...yes why not because it is a better product at the end of it.

This is why I got interested in the Chinese brands in the first place - no one bothers to make knock offs of those brands.
post #158 of 35472

I just ran a search on Aliexpress on KZ and found models that look like V-Moda and Monster Turbine. Their higher end models cost up to 130$ and the entire high range looks like earphones from other companies.

post #159 of 35472
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This is why I got interested in the Chinese brands in the first place - no one bothers to make knock offs of those brands.

I got interested because some of them make excellent products for a good price, and they are unknown here in the US. I'm a very savvy consumer / value seeker, so I wanted to put that to good use. All of this info helps me just as much as it helps everyone else.

 

Why even bother with a middle man and branding, when you can just get the product direct as well? I'd rather give my money directly to the actual manufacturers of a product if they can also provide good service.

post #160 of 35472
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I just ran a search on Aliexpress on KZ and found models that look like V-Moda and Monster Turbine. Their higher end models cost up to 130$ and the entire high range looks like earphones from other companies.

These are the Taobao pages. Some Aliexpress sellers inflate the pricing a lot of times. The actual prices are much cheaper.

 

http://shugong.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.0.0.W8WxBm

 

http://taoctt.taobao.com/index.htm?spm=2013.1.w5002-218015938.2.xIC2vr

 

I ordered the R35, because it uses 32 grain OFC, has a decent FR graph, and it is $9 before shipping, $14 total.

 

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36014894005


Edited by bhazard - 11/20/13 at 9:33am
post #161 of 35472
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I got interested because some of them make excellent products for a good price, and they are unknown here in the US. I'm a very savvy consumer / value seeker, so I wanted to put that to good use. All of this info helps me just as much as it helps everyone else.

Why even bother with a middle man and branding, when you can just get the product direct as well? I'd rather give my money directly to the actual manufacturers of a product if they can also provide good service.
How can you even be sure that KZ is the OEM for brands like Sennheiser?
post #162 of 35472
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How can you even be sure that KZ is the OEM for brands like Sennheiser?

I never said that? That isn't what I meant at all. I mean't why buy something like Takstars from an amazon store type middleman, when you can just buy it from Takstar themselves?

 

Mp4nation.net just started carrying Takstar, and their prices are pretty good. this usually isn't the case.

 

That also reminds me of the $120 Brainwavz HM5. The OEM model was found at Jaycar, and is $50. I'd much rather pay $50 for the same headphone.


Edited by bhazard - 11/20/13 at 11:23am
post #163 of 35472
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The VSONIC VSD1LE is making me consider selling off my Hifiman RE-400. They don't sound much different, and both can EQ subbass very well. I may even prefer them to my Monster Gratitudes.

 

Too many headphones/earphones in my collection. I need to have a big sell off soon.

Damnit VSonic does it AGAIN!! When is their higher VSD series coming outttttttttttttt so long a wait..

post #164 of 35472
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I never said that? That isn't what I meant at all. I mean't why buy something like Takstars from an amazon store type middleman, when you can just buy it from Takstar themselves?

Mp4nation.net just started carrying Takstar, and their prices are pretty good. this usually isn't the case.

That also reminds me of the $120 Brainwavz HM5. The OEM model was found at Jaycar, and is $50. I'd much rather pay $50 for the same headphone.
You're right about that. I don't care for the name that is printed on the headphone as long as its SQ is the same or better.

What KZ models do you have other than the A1?
Edited by Hal Rockwell - 11/20/13 at 11:42am
post #165 of 35472
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

The VSONIC VSD1LE is making me consider selling off my Hifiman RE-400. They don't sound much different, and both can EQ subbass very well. I may even prefer them to my Monster Gratitudes.

 

Too many headphones/earphones in my collection. I need to have a big sell off soon.

Wow, really?  Other reviewers seem to say that the Gratitudes are in a higher class compared to the VSD1LE and RE-400.

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