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post #196 of 263
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Project86, thanks for the link!  Unfortunately, I only saw 1/8-inch to RCA cables.

But, monoprice is really cheap!  Seems almost too cheap. How is it possible to be quality and that cheap? (serious question)

That's a broad question and most certainly depends on one's definition of quality. There are all different varying levels of quality, in your case the question should be specific to the intended application and partnering equipment.

 

I believe you are shooting too low with regard to cable price relative to the very good partnering equipment, the Herus is an excellent sounding DAC and is capable of resolving differences in cables.

 

This thread isn't the place for a cable discussion (that sadly ALWAYS devolves into a war of words between staunch proponents of and skeptic/detractors of cable differences).

 

However all of that aside if it's a simple budget of $30-40 and no other considerations apply, I understand that too, everyone has to draw the line somewhere.

 

With all due respect to the other member who has suggested Monoprice, maybe you'd also take a look at a hand made in America cable?

 

The fine folks at HAVE, Inc. have been making custom cable assemblies since 1977. While they don't list a 1/4" stereo to RCA cable as something you can just select and order off their web shop, they do have a 3.5mm to RCA version that you can just call and get a quote for them to build, but substituting a 1/4" stereo plug for the 3.5mm plug. They will not charge much more for that variation.

 

http://store.haveinc.com/p-52576-have-ipod-stereo-audio-cable-mini-trs-2-rca-1ft.aspx

 

Monoprice is certainly an option, at the risk of sounding like a cable snob I suggest you aim just a bit higher as an absolute minimum for this application.

 

Do you already own a suitable RCA cable? If so maybe a 1/4" male to RCA female adapter is your best bet?

 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/469389-REG/Monster_Cable_600446_Stereo_1_4_Male_to.html

 

You can definitely use the 3.5mm input, it probably has slightly lower specs for crosstalk and stereo separation compared to RCA, but it might be insignificant enough to be inaudible. HAVE would quote you on building that cable too (1/4" to 3.5mm) if you wished.

 

You don't even have to use the Gepco wire in the above product description, you can ask HAVE for a quote using Mogami 2534, Canare L-4E6S etc...

 

Lastly, this is where owning a soldering iron comes in handy, you can make a good cable with a relatively low parts cost.


Edited by MikeyFresh - 5/8/14 at 8:53pm

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post #197 of 263
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Most of the stuff you find from Audioquest etc will be 1/8" to RCA. You could always contact the company to see if they will swap for a 1/4" jack. I'm sure Signal Cable would, for example, and their stuff is really nice without being too expensive.

 

Then there's eBay as another option


This is another great option, if they don't carry 1/4" stereo plugs as standard you could offer to send them one yourself for use in your cable build.

post #198 of 263
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Hey guys,

 

I rechecked the specs on the iCAN amp, and I noticed that is has both RCA and a 3.5 mm input.

Would it better to use one input or the other, or does it matter?

 

I wonder if it would be easier to simply find a 6.3 mm to 3.5 mm stereo interconnect.


This dude in Canada looks perfectly legit, although I've never done business with him:

 

http://www.slygoosecables.com/Mogami-14-TRS-to-Stereo-RCA.html

 

He'd probably even knock off a couple more dollars if you ask for a quote on a 1 foot cable, his shortest standard length is 3 feet.

post #199 of 263
Just thought I'd share this for awareness.

http://www.stereophile.com/news/121308oyaide/
post #200 of 263
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Just thought I'd share this for awareness.

http://www.stereophile.com/news/121308oyaide/


In fairness to PartsconneXion, that's a very old story and that situation was resolved quickly.

 

Both Joe Cohen/The Lotus Group and PartsconneXion have solid reputations and lots of satisfied customers, myself included.

 

I certainly sided with Joe and the Lotus Group upon reading that story some years ago, however there have not been any ongoing accusations of counterfeit parts distribution by Partsconnexion since that time to the best of my knowledge.

 

Undoubtedly, the larger concern and problem regarding counterfeit parts distribution (as well as finished product assemblies that are counterfeit) is not with reputable sellers such as the likes of Partsconnexion, but with the much too good to be true low prices routinely published by various sellers on eBay.

 

Buyer beware.

post #201 of 263

Thanks so much for the extra research!

 

Actually after seeing that Y adapter to two female outs, I am starting to think that is the way to go, and then just get a nice RCA to RCA interconnect.

Would you agree?  Or is it better to minimize adapter usage?

 

I don't currently have a superior RCA to RCA cable, but I certainly have a few decent ones, and I would be willing to buy something nicer up to maybe 60-ish max.

 

I still need a better 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch adapter from the headphone out of the amp as my Shure 535 uses a 1/8 inch plug.

post #202 of 263
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Thanks so much for the extra research!

 

Actually after seeing that Y adapter to two female outs, I am starting to think that is the way to go, and then just get a nice RCA to RCA interconnect.

Would you agree?  Or is it better to minimize adapter usage?

 

I don't currently have a superior RCA to RCA cable, but I certainly have a few decent ones, and I would be willing to buy something nicer up to maybe 60-ish max.

 

I still need a better 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch adapter from the headphone out of the amp as my Shure 535 uses a 1/8 inch plug.


My preference is to limit adapter use, especially since almost all adapters are made of brass which is only about 68% the conductivity of copper. Adapters also have various ill fitting internal "junctions" often with high contact resistance at that junction. So not ideal but they work.

 

Only the Furutech adapter which is made of phosphor bronze is of appreciably higher quality in my opinion.

 

I don't love that Monster adapter, but if you already own a good RCA cable it's a way to get started and maybe you order a 1/4" stereo (TRS) to RCA cable somewhere down the road.

 

Get a quote from HAVE on a short 1/4" stereo (TRS) to RCA cable made with Canare or Mogami microphone wire, it will cost all of about $20-30 and be well worth it.

 

$60-ish for a pair of RCA interconnects? That would be garbage compared to the quality of the Herus.

 

Skip the adapters and the $60-ish RCA interconnects, and ask Marc Stager to make you a 1/4" stereo (TRS) to RCA cable.

 

http://stagersound.com/silver/order.htm

 

Or Double Helix Cables, either way you will be happy and not disappointed as those cables are commensurate with the quality of the Herus.

 

On the cheap side, get a quote from HAVE, they have been doing cables for pro sound and broadcast audio since 1977.


Edited by MikeyFresh - 5/9/14 at 8:45pm
post #203 of 263

MikeyFresh,

 

Thanks again.

I am leaning strongly towards your last recommendation of the Stager cables, even though I initially told myself I would not spend that much on a cable, at least those cables are solid-core silver.

 

I read most of the reviews linked on that page and will do a little more research.

 

By the way, I am curious what you think about that iFi USB conditioner.

post #204 of 263
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MikeyFresh,

 

Thanks again.

I am leaning strongly towards your last recommendation of the Stager cables, even though I initially told myself I would not spend that much on a cable, at least those cables are solid-core silver.

 

I read most of the reviews linked on that page and will do a little more research.

 

By the way, I am curious what you think about that iFi USB conditioner.

I like the iFi USBPower very much, it definitely lifts the performance of every USB DAC I have.

 

The effect is easier to hear on loudspeakers than on headphones, as it mostly involves a larger and better defined stereo sound stage, the focus and precise placement of images are enhanced.

 

There is also a small change to the tonal balance on my system, there is more extension at each frequency extreme, a more airy treble and deeper bass with greater weight and authority.

 

I find it worth the price of admission, and better than using a split USB cable with a battery on the power leg.

post #205 of 263

Finally had time to test the Herus amp part with the rest of my headphone collection and man did it perform. It even did great with the Audezes and Hifimans. Impressed!

post #206 of 263

I got a Herus in November, initially I wasn't impressed but that was due to my choice of earphones - I had bought BA200s due to people's love of them here and on Amazon.  Pretty soon I realised that I absolutely hated the bland sterility of those phones and the way they exaggerated sibilant recordings.  I moved on to Momentum over-ears.  Happy camper now!

 

According to the Resonessence website the Herus works with impedances of 32-600ohms, but it works with the Momentums perfectly (didn't work with my old 16ohm Sennheiser earphones though).  So.. either the Herus is flexible-ish with impedances or the Momentum are not 18ohms as advertised.

 

Overall my opinion is that the Herus is a little 'cold' in it's presentation (not necessarily in a bad way), and therefore warmer sounding headphones work beautifully with it.

post #207 of 263

The Momentums measure in the low to mid 20 ohm range (link). Herus has an output impedance less than 1 ohm so it really shouldn't matter what headphones are used. Perhaps they just mentioned 32-600 ohms because that's a common range that covers 99% of the headphone out there. 

post #208 of 263
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post
 

The Momentums measure in the low to mid 20 ohm range (link). Herus has an output impedance less than 1 ohm so it really shouldn't matter what headphones are used. Perhaps they just mentioned 32-600 ohms because that's a common range that covers 99% of the headphone out there. 

I think you are right about a common impedance range being cited, rather than a strict actual operating range.

 

I use the 16 Ohm Yamaha EPH-100 with the Herus in my workplace desktop system, no sonic issues.

post #209 of 263

Can someone compare to geek out, meridian explorer etc?

And can it drive the HD800?

And have all the floor noise issues been solved?

Thanks.

post #210 of 263
There was supposedly a new firmware that was announced back around April, but have not heard anything new since then.
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