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post #16 of 30

Sorry to derail your thread with my Daft Punk nonsense... Anyway, the Denon D5000 are generally regarded as having a lot of bass. Maybe you should consider some Mad Dogs? I think they will need an amp though.

post #17 of 30

Most higher end headphones need to amp to really shine, so if you allocate some of your budget to an amp (and maybe even a DAC) your options for headphone choices will expand greatly. If you're open to open headphones (no pun intended) the AKG K/Q701 and Senn HD600 are excellent headphones that can be sometimes found for $200 and $250 used, respectively.

post #18 of 30

Honestly don't grab the W5000 it's alittle TOO colored I hear... 

 

the w1000x is a rather balanced can all things considered! It would be the BEST upgrade to the A900x [I had the A900x btw]

 

Not to mention my w1000x sounds REALLY nice JUST out of my Hm801 ;O so plugged into a good source it won't always need an amp... still the Hm801 is a $600 DAP q.q 

post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post
 

Most higher end headphones need to amp to really shine, so if you allocate some of your budget to an amp (and maybe even a DAC) your options for headphone choices will expand greatly. If you're open to open headphones (no pun intended) the AKG K/Q701 and Senn HD600 are excellent headphones that can be sometimes found for $200 and $250 used, respectively.

 

The Q701 can be had new for less than 250, and it would probably be a good choice if you wanted to get an amp. There definitely won't be too much bass (but not too little either), and it is a decent all-arounder. It does have a big soundstage though. 

post #20 of 30
Thread Starter 

I might consider open headphones such as the Q701's or HD600's, but if I do, I would need a DAC or an amplifier, or both, right? What is the difference, advantages, disadvantages etc.?

post #21 of 30

A DAC converts the digital signal from your computer (typically through USB) to audio, and an amplifier makes the signal from the USB powerful enough to drive headphones. So it goes computer -> DAC -> amplifier -> headphones. It's not possible to use a DAC without an amplifier, though some DAC's have a built in amplifier so you don't need a separate one. It is possible to use an amplifier without a DAC, but it's not optimal. Connecting the headphone jack of your computer to an amplifier, for example, is double amping and shouldn't be done. Some computers have a line out jack that can be connected to an amplifier without double amping, but this is less common. 

You can get sound out of almost any headphone by plugging it into the headphone jack of your computer, but it won't always sound good. Headphones that "need" an amp will sound congested and flat coming out of a regular headphone jack. It's not an issue of volume alone. The difference in sound quality can range from subtle to blatantly obvious, depending on the headphone. Using an amp generally makes the sound much cleaner, with tighter, deeper bass, clearer mids and highs, a more defined soundstage, more natural tone, and more detail. A DAC does the same. In general, DAC's and amps always go hand in hand. Some products combine both DAC and amp in the same box though. 

post #22 of 30
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The Q701 can be had new for less than 250, and it would probably be a good choice if you wanted to get an amp. There definitely won't be too much bass (but not too little either), and it is a decent all-arounder. It does have a big soundstage though. 

 

Exactly. That's why I said "respectively" - around $200 for the K/Q701 and $250 for the HD600 :)

Q701 has a much bigger soundstage; HD600 has a moer natural/realistic tone/timbre and is more euphonic.

 

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A DAC converts the digital signal from your computer (typically through USB) to audio, and an amplifier makes the signal from the USB powerful enough to drive headphones. So it goes computer -> DAC -> amplifier -> headphones. It's not possible to use a DAC without an amplifier, though some DAC's have a built in amplifier so you don't need a separate one. It is possible to use an amplifier without a DAC, but it's not optimal. Connecting the headphone jack of your computer to an amplifier, for example, is double amping and shouldn't be done. Some computers have a line out jack that can be connected to an amplifier without double amping, but this is less common. 

You can get sound out of almost any headphone by plugging it into the headphone jack of your computer, but it won't always sound good. Headphones that "need" an amp will sound congested and flat coming out of a regular headphone jack. It's not an issue of volume alone. The difference in sound quality can range from subtle to blatantly obvious, depending on the headphone. Using an amp generally makes the sound much cleaner, with tighter, deeper bass, clearer mids and highs, a more defined soundstage, more natural tone, and more detail. A DAC does the same. In general, DAC's and amps always go hand in hand. Some products combine both DAC and amp in the same box though. 

This. If you have a good quality dedicated soundcard you might not notice a huge difference with a separate DAC+amp. However most on-motherboard audio solutions are crap. A good amp will deepen the soundstage compared to motherboard audio, even for headphones that don't need an amp. Better DACs give you more detail, definition, timbre, and instrumental separation. How much are you willing to spend?

post #23 of 30
Thread Starter 

Maybe 100-200$, maybe a little more.I currently just have a stereo receiver that I have been using in place of an amp/DAC, and I find that even that can improve the sound stage. However, I will definitely be chucking it once I have an amp. Are the cheapest headphones on here, because on ebay, I cannot find anything even close to the 200-250$ range for the Q701 or HD600?

post #24 of 30
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Originally Posted by tacgunner1 View Post
 

Maybe 100-200$, maybe a little more.I currently just have a stereo receiver that I have been using in place of an amp/DAC, and I find that even that can improve the sound stage. However, I will definitely be chucking it once I have an amp. Are the cheapest headphones on here, because on ebay, I cannot find anything even close to the 200-250$ range for the Q701 or HD600?

 

DO NOT CHUCK IT :O please, head over to the Vintage Reciver Thread and check with those guys to see how good your Stero Reciver is! There are guys running  40 year old recievers that well franky sound better and deliver more power than some Solid State amps :O

 

SO before you do anything rash FIND OUT how good it is! Save your self some money if you can, but if you find that the amp is much better, than at the very least donate your Reciver to a poor friend or something ;3

 

but seriously, find out how good ur reciver is or is not before u chuck  it and buy n amp! 

post #25 of 30
Thread Starter 

Sorry, I didn't literally mean throw it away. I'll go check out the receiver thread, although I doubt it would be considered vintage. 

post #26 of 30
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Sorry, I didn't literally mean throw it away. I'll go check out the receiver thread, although I doubt it would be considered vintage. 

 

ya never know, even late 90's stuff could be really good :O 

post #27 of 30
Thread Starter 

I did a bit of searching around, would the HE-400's be a good choice? They're 400$ new, so I'd hope they would dip to the 250$ range used. How do they hold up against the Q701's and HD600's?

post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by tacgunner1 View Post
 

I did a bit of searching around, would the HE-400's be a good choice? They're 400$ new, so I'd hope they would dip to the 250$ range used. How do they hold up against the Q701's and HD600's?

 

Sadly they do not dip under $300 >.>

 

and they are rather V shaped in comparison to the more... neutral 701 and HD600 

 

meaning LOTS OF BASS AND TREBLE, 

 

where as the HD 600 is MIDS OF GLORY

 

and the 701 is balanced maybe?

 

I've only heard the HE400 and it is defiatly a funner can, but with a little eq it can be magically neutral! And still have some of the best open can bass in the price range! 

post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by tacgunner1 View Post
 

I did a bit of searching around, would the HE-400's be a good choice? They're 400$ new, so I'd hope they would dip to the 250$ range used. How do they hold up against the Q701's and HD600's?

 

HE-400 - Warmest, bassiest, fastest, and most detailed of the three. However it's also the least neutral due to somewhat harsh treble and a dip in the upper mids.

Q701 - Biggest soundstage, least bass quantity, and most conventionally "neutral" of the three.

HD600 - Most natural, realistic, euphonic, and musically engaging of the three. Very smooth and flat frequency response with no treble peak and good bass punch.

post #30 of 30
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Originally Posted by tacgunner1 View Post
 

Maybe 100-200$, maybe a little more.I currently just have a stereo receiver that I have been using in place of an amp/DAC, and I find that even that can improve the sound stage. However, I will definitely be chucking it once I have an amp. Are the cheapest headphones on here, because on ebay, I cannot find anything even close to the 200-250$ range for the Q701 or HD600?

Do a bit of digging on the internet to find out what DAC chip is in your receiver, and how good that chip is. Most receivers use the speaker amp for the headphone jack, and generally sound quite powerful. They are crap with very low impedance headphones though.

 

For $200 you can get a Schiit stack which sounds very good for the price. The Magni is a bit bright though so it's best paired with warmer headphones. For about the same price you could also get a used O2+ODAC combo. Don't bother with eBay. Check the classifieds section of Head-Fi - most of the prices are reasonable.

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