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post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by julian67 View Post

I was meaning reasonable loudspeakers in a reasonable environment and not unsatisfactory loudspeakers in an unsuitable environment wink.gif

btw I'm speaking as someone who hardly ever uses loudspeakers these days because I live by a busy, noisy road and if I played loudspeakers loud enough to mask it then it would upset the nice, quiet, considerate people in neighbouring apartments.

Anyway you don't need a special listening room, just a decent size living space and a relatively peaceful environment and you can enjoy even modest loudspeakers. For about 50 or 60 years almost all music recordings have been engineered to sound their best when played back through a pair of loudspeakers, and they usually do. I almost always listen with headphones or IEMs and a crossfeed and I love it and am grateful that the opportunity exists but it isn't the same experience as a pair of speakers projecting the sound forward into the room and actually moving some air, which in turn is not really like being present when the music is made.

So my point was don't worry about perfection because headphones can't really replicate speakers and speakers can't really replicate a live experience. I find I'm pretty satisfied with stuff that is just good enough to let me enjoy the music without creating distractions like massive tonal imbalance or distortion or physical fit problems. This can be had quite cheaply with headphones and IEMs and the tantalising idea of a headphone holy grail is really just clever marketing, copiously fuelled by our collective gullibility and susceptibility to suggestion and so on.

Anyway what happens when you get "the perfect headphone" which renders everything exactly as recorded, and are finally in no doubt at all that much of the music you've ever heard has production mistakes that were expected to be masked in playback on loudspeakers and has been cut, spliced, processed and manipulated such that you can no longer suspend disbelief and just enjoy it..... biggrin.gif

 

Well, to each their own I suppose :rolleyes: Although for the sake of argument, I'll point out that most music is mixed with headphones on, so the way the producer heard it is the way we would hear it with headphones on, rather than loudspeakers.

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by hojomojo96 View Post
 

Although for the sake of argument, I'll point out that most music is mixed with headphones on, so the way the producer heard it is the way we would hear it with headphones on, rather than loudspeakers.

 

This is complete BS.  Substantiate your argument.

post #18 of 19
I was just about to state the same but SoulSyde got there first. Stereo music is almost invariably produced to sound right with a pair of loudspeakers. The exceptions are a few binaural recordings. The idea that by using headphones you will hear the music as intended is complete nonsense. Quite often by using headphones the music is quite different from what was intended. This can often be corrected or at least improved by a crossfeed, but not always.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by julian67 View Post

I was just about to state the same but SoulSyde got there first. Stereo music is almost invariably produced to sound right with a pair of loudspeakers. The exceptions are a few binaural recordings. The idea that by using headphones you will hear the music as intended is complete nonsense. Quite often by using headphones the music is quite different from what was intended. This can often be corrected or at least improved by a crossfeed, but not always.

 

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Originally Posted by SoulSyde View Post
 

 

This is complete BS.  Substantiate your argument.

 

Sorry, I meant the way the *artist* hears it IN the studio, not the producer. The producer hears it with speakers, the artist listens to everything else with headphones while playing/singing their part. So yes, you two are correct and I retract my statement. 

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