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Am I a little stupid?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hi... So I don't know much about audio but looking at people talking about using their equalizers they seem to all use it to decrease the decibels of everything and say that "even -7 is too loud". I have HD598s, and I pushed the bass up to the highest the sliders would go (24db) and it sounds good enough now to shake the headphones but sometimes some songs make something else inside the headphones rattle.

 

Is this a dumb idea?
Here is a picture of my EQ

I keep the volume at around 10, and I don't even know what "distortion" or what everyone else is talking about sounds like. Everything is pretty clear to me.

I tried listening to my HD598s without the equalizer and it's unbelievably bad (it's just so... boring and the quality is something only slightly better than Apple's new cheapo earphones, not even as clear as my $70 Logitech Z503s), I don't know what all the good reviews are about. However using the equalizer with those above settings, bass shakes the headphones and everything is a bit more clear.


Edited by Evansoft - 9/27/13 at 11:20am
post #2 of 13

Distortion is where the original waveform changes shape because of an outside force like clipping, noise, or other phenomenon.  When running something through digital EQ it is best to keep all frequencies at or below 0 dB and adjust the curve down.  Looking at your curve this method will take the same shape and relative location of each setting, but keep everything at or below 0 dB.  The bass settings will remain at 0 dB while the treble will be set to -8 dB for example.  This prevents clipping and other distortion artifacts.

 

Distortion sounds like a crunch, crackle, or audible noise and is heard most often in the bass and treble regions of the frequency spectrum.

post #3 of 13
Not really you just want to sacrifice a little sound quality in order to alter the sound the original artist recorded. People on Headfi fall in to one of two categories: Those who want as close to what the artist recorded with no alterartion and those who want the freedom to try and change (usually in a pleasing way) what the artist recorded. A set of Beyerdynamics DT990 headphones might give you more bass punch as well a good quality without having to equalise. The headphone is still distorting or colouring the signal however. Sennheisers HD598 are intended to be budget hi-fi headphones and therefore while not being completely neutral tend towards neutrality. I don't think it's accurate to say these are only slightly better than Apple's earbuds however.
post #4 of 13
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Hi... So I don't know much about audio but looking at people talking about using their equalizers they seem to all use it to decrease the decibels of everything and say that "even -7 is too loud". I have HD598s, and I pushed the bass up to the highest the sliders would go (24db) and it sounds good enough now to shake the headphones but sometimes some songs make something else inside the headphones rattle.

This is not true. As NA Blur states above, you simply want to adjust your EQ below the 0 dB line to avoid clipping. Using an EQ like the one built in iTunes, you'll find that it has a slider for each frequency as well as a "Preamp" slider. If you do decide to adjust EQ above the 0 dB line (say +12 dB), then you need to make sure your Preamp slider is at -12 dB. Your highest slider + preamp slider should equal 0 dB. Since the EQ you are using doesn't appear to have a Preamp, make sure your EQ curve rests less than or equal to 0 dB.

 

Having an EQ like yours while doing the methods I just described to avoid clipping, you'll find that you are going to have to crank the volume knob up quite a bit on your amp.

post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 

Alright, so what is clipping and is it damaging to my headphones, or does it just change the way my headphones sound? Because at this current time, I love the way they sound.

post #6 of 13

If you do what NA Blur and I suggested, you will have the exact same sound without clipping: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_(audio)

post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hmm.. I see. So it can cause damage.

I'm trying to do it, but the bass is utter crap.. I don't even know if it even is bass anymore. It's weird, it sounds like a pelvis hitting someone's bottom, that light slapping sound (seriously). If you know what I mean.

 

 

Am I doing it right?


Edited by Evansoft - 9/28/13 at 10:02am
post #8 of 13
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Am I doing it right?

 

There are a lot of VERY polite people on this forum :)

 

That is a safer way to EQ.

 

Rock on, my friend.  Rock on.

post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 

Yeah, I know this forum has a lot of very polite people which is very inviting.

However by doing this on the EQ, everything sounds the same EXCEPT the bass is horrible and light. It feels so bad and I feel so unfulfilled, because it doesn't shake the headphones and you can't feel it whereas with +24db you can really feel it and it causes my HD598s to vibrate quite a bit. Surely there has to be something else I can do which is safe and still keeps bass strong :(

 

EDIT: Here, I tried something else and the bass is still horrible.. I don't know what to dooo :'(
Would it be fine if I added maybe +5db or something?


Edited by Evansoft - 9/28/13 at 10:10am
post #10 of 13

Probably a different set of headphones would better suit you.  Every set of can's has it's limits and it's own signature.  Sounds like the 598's aren't for you.

 

The DT990's, as suggested may be a good way to go.  Maybe even HE-500's or LCD2, or heck, TH-900's...  But they are all quite a bit more money and will need some solid amplification.

 

Or, on the other end, Dr. Dre Beats are known to be extremely bass heavy.  Sounds like you are looking for boom.  Beast, so I've heard, have that.

post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 

Beats are horrible in terms of sound quality. Brother has one...
I also only recently purchased these headphones (less than a month ago), and I do love my headphones as with my previous EQ settings, they were nearly perfect. I'm unable to get DT990s, so I'll have to make do with my current HD598s.

post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by Evansoft View Post
 

Yeah, I know this forum has a lot of very polite people which is very inviting.

However by doing this on the EQ, everything sounds the same EXCEPT the bass is horrible and light. It feels so bad and I feel so unfulfilled, because it doesn't shake the headphones and you can't feel it whereas with +24db you can really feel it and it causes my HD598s to vibrate quite a bit. Surely there has to be something else I can do which is safe and still keeps bass strong :(

 

EDIT: Here, I tried something else and the bass is still horrible.. I don't know what to dooo :'(
Would it be fine if I added maybe +5db or something?

 

Try to smooth out that curve on the EQ a little bit more. With that setting the mids and treble look like they would be completely recessed.

Boost the bass above 0 db if you want, you won't definitely start clipping the sound as soon as you do. Don't max is out at the top just increase it until it's in a spot that you enjoy.

Looking at your old settings you should be able to drop the high end frequency and low ends by the same amounts but keep the same sound signature.

Just click on the screen shot you posted in the original post and drag your mouse down, keep the dots lined up with the bars and move everything down around 0 and try that out.

Since all of the frequency are being lowered, increase the volume, you should get the same effect.

post #13 of 13
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I do love my headphones as with my previous EQ settings, they were nearly perfect.

Then ignore what all these people on this forum say, and listen to them the way you want. Listening to music isn't like building a car engine, where if you don't do everything exactly right it won't work. If you don't mind the clipping, EQ the bass to the max! Most of the people who will tell you to EQ down and never up are likely people who treat even a microsecond of clipping like the black plague. 

 

You're in a forum where all different types of people, each with different music preferences, talk about a multitude of headphones and amps; there are SO many variables that it's honestly hard to pin down any true facts. To top it all off, there are plenty of people who throw down hearsay concerning equipment they've never even seen as fact. 

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