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post #46 of 66
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Is the OP still around?

 

Anyways, the differance in Flac vs mp3 is mostly in the Highs, it's something you can see with objective measurements and hear. But it's nothing so HUGE that only listening to mp3s is a crime. But it's... not a contreversy, Flac is better than 320k mp3. Is that improvement worth NEVER enjoying a song that isn't flac, I don't think so. I have a TON of DubStep that's 320k mp3 and I enjoy it

 

the real contreversy, is 16bit flac  vs 24 bit. and we won't get into that here

 

Non the less, if you need to save space, go with 320k mp3 if you can handle bigger files, go with Flac. At the end of the day both are more than good enough to use with super detailed headphones, just remember though that Flac is better, it's ALWAYS better . If you can't hear it then don't worry about

 

but with regards to the mastering comment, the differeance between flac and lossy is Compression.

 

To start with all Digitial music is only a percentage of the orignal Analog wave, it is at best 99.9999999% never 100, what mp3 and compresion does is further remove a percentage of the audio data from the recording. So if your orignal analog wave... is garbage, 99.9999% of garbage is still garbage, and 98.8888% of garbage is still... you guess it GARBAGE! So again, if you have hard drive space to spare [I've got a second 1TB external drive now my self, took me 6 months to fill my last one [and it's mostly videos] ] then go for flac. And truthfully, I've only got like 700 or so gbs of music. Maybe more... Not sure honesty but in the 2 years I've at head fi I've not even cracked a TeraByte of music yet [and 95% of EVERYTHING I own is Flac] so spend $100 get your self a nice TB Drive and enjoy the music. OR don't stick with mp3 320 and still enjoy the music :D


I love FLAC due to the fact that I can convert it back to .WAV without losing audio quality. You simply can't do that with 320kbps mp3. Mp3 is always going be a lossy format using the "LAME" encoder. Which I thought was a horrible name for the mp3 encoder just proves how obsolete it is. Mp3 was a useful commodity back when people only had 256MB, yes MB hard drives in the early 2000s. Now with my 2TB hard drive I can hold as much as I want :dt880smile: 

 

I just heard Rush 2112 in FLAC 24-bit 96khz. Sounds absolutely amazing, I can easily tell the difference between a FLAC and mp3 but like MShenay said, the audible differences between 16-bit and 24-bit are not perceivable based on science of the human ears. People will forever debate 16-bit vs 24-bit and sometimes I think 24-bit sounds better but it would take more than just an ABX test but measurements.


Edited by wahsmoh - 2/22/14 at 10:03am
post #47 of 66
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Originally Posted by wahsmoh View Post
 


I love FLAC due to the fact that I can convert it back to .WAV without losing audio quality. You simply can't do that with 320kbps mp3. Mp3 is always going be a lossy format using the "LAME" encoder. Which I thought was a horrible name for the mp3 encoder just proves how obsolete it is. Mp3 was a useful commodity back when people only had 256MB, yes MB hard drives in the early 2000s. Now with my 2TB hard drive I can hold as much as I want :dt880smile: 

 

I just heard Rush 2112 in FLAC 24-bit 96khz. Sounds absolutely amazing, I can easily tell the difference between a FLAC and mp3 but like MShenay said, the audible differences between 16-bit and 24-bit are not perceivable based on science of the human ears. People will forever debate 16-bit vs 24-bit and sometimes I think 24-bit sounds better but it would take more than just an ABX test but measurements.

Yea LAME is useful, if you have a small DAP only 1-2gbs [which I started on] it's nice to have a slew of LAME files,

 

with regard to 24bit this is where we start getting into the Master debate, meaning, your 16bit CD and 24bit Vinyl Rip may have different masters... either way, I have some 24bit albums. Mostly the super classics, the albums at which you feel obligated to spend the extra money on getting 24bit... just to pay homage to the guys who created it for you! 

post #48 of 66
Quick input. I had the dt880 and found it to scale better with better sources. However the q701 sounds good even in lesser sources like my Lenovo laptop for example. Plugging to the Audio-GD the sound does improve noticeably but not the way it improves on the dt880 250ohm.

Musically I find the Q701 more enjoyable in a sense of presentation. It provides a bright sound but doesn't peak which is a big no not me in relaxing. The DT880's flat response also felt dull that nothing had emotion at times, great for producing if you need to pick out details and hear certain instruments analytically but to kick the feet up and enjoy the q701 wins it for me.

I sold off the DT880 in Dec and haven't looked back. For analytical and reference I now use the He-4 which are like super 880s. I would love to A/B the T1s with them in the next meet as those have been called super 880s as well (obvious price gap between the two however)
post #49 of 66
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Check my profile - I owned both, and compared the two many times - side by side.  I know they sound different.

IMO the DT880 is definitely the brighter (and more detailed) of the two.  It's the way I heard them - and the graphs tend to agree. 

I agree. beyersmile.png
post #50 of 66

I'm on the same boat as pm, i'm between Q701 and DT880. I'm looking for headphones for ambient, instrumental music and movies and games but i'm not sure which one i like. I've been thinking far too long


Edited by Heiku - 1/5/17 at 6:02am
post #51 of 66

I made the mistake of buying the AKG. Just buy the DT880, it sounds a lot nicer!

post #52 of 66
What mistake? The q701 is best with instrumentals or metal because of the large soundstage and unmatched instrument separation it offers for the price. Definitely better for gaming with a larger soundstage and a lesser treble spike. I dunu what nicer sound is supposed to mean but the q701 is more balanced
post #53 of 66
My 702 seemed to improve when I added a blue dragon cable. Placebo effect? I don't think so. They're still no match for my AT 50th anniversaries however.
post #54 of 66

DT880 all day everyday... maybe twice some days..

 

The Beyers sound way better (with proper amp) and are built sooo much better..  the current AKG are built in China and QA isn't what it might have been in the past..

 

Your grandchildren may listen to your DT880's .... your garbage man may fish your broken AKG's out of the rubbish to see if he can piece them back together with tape...


Edited by atarione - 1/5/17 at 12:26pm
post #55 of 66
I'm new here but I have to say I love your way of expressing yourself. I'll be sure to keep tape, J-B Weld and safety wire on hand at all times. Cheers.
post #56 of 66
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Originally Posted by atarione View Post
 

DT880 all day everyday... maybe twice some days..

 

The Beyers sound way better (with proper amp) and are built sooo much better..  the current AKG are built in China and QA isn't what it might have been in the past..

 

Your grandchildren may listen to your DT880's .... your garbage man may fish your broken AKG's out of the rubbish to see if he can piece them back together with tape...

hifimans are built in china, tons of things are made in china. That has nothing to do with quality.

post #57 of 66
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Originally Posted by akg fanboy View Post
 

hifimans are built in china, tons of things are made in china. That has nothing to do with quality.

In fairness rereading it I might have worded that better.. but the fact is AKG isn't the AKG it was Harman has made a lot of changes... and the new production stuff coming from China... is not on par with the older stuff made elsewhere .. 

 

but that distraction aside the DT880 is the better headphone in the totality of considerations... and it is the better built headphone.

post #58 of 66
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Originally Posted by atarione View Post
 

DT880 all day everyday... maybe twice some days..

 

The Beyers sound way better (with proper amp) and are built sooo much better..  the current AKG are built in China and QA isn't what it might have been in the past..

 

Your grandchildren may listen to your DT880's .... your garbage man may fish your broken AKG's out of the rubbish to see if he can piece them back together with tape...

 

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Originally Posted by atarione View Post

 

In fairness rereading it I might have worded that better.. but the fact is AKG isn't the AKG it was Harman has made a lot of changes... and the new production stuff coming from China... is not on par with the older stuff made elsewhere .. 

 

but that distraction aside the DT880 is the better headphone in the totality of considerations... and it is the better built headphone.

 

I've had AKGs made in Europe and made in China, and both were pretty much the same and measure the same as well.

I've found better channel matching on some chinese AKGs than on some more expensive Tesla Beyers made in Germany.

More so, in some models, the chinese AKGs have bumpless headband which is more comfortable than the bumpy headband on earlier austrian versions.

So, I don't get your point at all.

 

Both DT880 and K702 are comfortable and both can last a decade or more if treated with care.

The Beyer is sturdier, but has earpads that degrade/flatten much faster, and has fixed cable that's harder to replace than the detachable one on the AKG.

 

You won't get DT880's faster treble on the AKG, but you get bigger soundstage, more instrument separation and cleaner bass in exchange.

 

I suggest K702 over Q701 since all Q701s I've seen have the bumpy headband.

More so, according to innerfidelity measurements, the K702 has significantly lower THD in the bass (similar to K712 in this regard)

post #59 of 66
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Originally Posted by Me x3 View Post
 

 

 

I've had AKGs made in Europe and made in China, and both were pretty much the same and measure the same as well.

I've found better channel matching on some chinese AKGs than on some more expensive Tesla Beyers made in Germany.

More so, in some models, the chinese AKGs have bumpless headband which is more comfortable than the bumpy headband on earlier austrian versions.

So, I don't get your point at all.

 

Both DT880 and K702 are comfortable and both can last a decade or more if treated with care.

The Beyer is sturdier, but has earpads that degrade/flatten much faster, and has fixed cable that's harder to replace than the detachable one on the AKG.

 

You won't get DT880's faster treble on the AKG, but you get bigger soundstage, more instrument separation and cleaner bass in exchange.

 

I suggest K702 over Q701 since all Q701s I've seen have the bumpy headband.

More so, according to innerfidelity measurements, the K702 has significantly lower THD in the bass (similar to K712 in this regard)

You explained the whole chinese thing better than I could. Great comparison 

post #60 of 66
Hmmm...to a casual observer that likes AKG and Beyer, it seems like you both have a 'slight' leaning toward your preferred cans -- to be expected.

Anyway, FWIW, my Q701's (made in China) have no quality issues and I'd rank them as one of my top headphones on a price/performance basis. I think the quality concerns might be due to the K7XX issues (rattle).
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