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post #811 of 1121
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

 

Again....I can't relate to this mindset.

 

 

Omastic.  If you spent, say $2000 on a receiver unit for home audio and it basically had an ON/OFF switch with no other adjustments.......are you okay with that?  I mean, it's a $2,000 unit so it cant possible need any adjustments.  It's already really good, right?

 

What I was trying to say is that when you spend so much on an iem, it should at least sound good in the stock form. Of course you can EQ to tailor the sound to your preference but if it needs a "quick fix" of the EQ to make it listenable (as you said in your post) then obviously something is out of place!

 

I would rate an iem based on its stock form because to me that is already the finished product the manufacturer is selling. EQ can make many cheap iems sound awesome but when you have to do the same for something that costs 650$, well I just don't agree :-) 

 

I don't quite understand your comparison of an iem to an expensive receiver unit. Of course I would want to have features like EQ on such an expensive source but in my opinion it is there to compensate for the shortcomings of any speaker/headphone/earphone you choose to pair it with. 

post #812 of 1121
I don't think it is appropriate to compare a receiver unit to an IEM. You can play around with the various settings on the receiver but you can't play around with IEM. There's no settings on IEM to begin with.

When using $2000 receiver unit I believe the appropriate comparison will be to a DAP. Of course if I'm paying $2000 for a DAP or even a smartphone I would expect more features or customizations on it. The receiver/DAP will then push or enhance the sound right out of the speakers/IEM. But of course, to begin with, the speaker/IEM has to be good in its stock form as put forward by @omastic.

I agree with @omastic that if you need to use EQ on an IEM to make it listenable then something isn't working out with the stock tuning. Especially with the hefty price tags of some IEMs these days.
post #813 of 1121
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Originally Posted by omastic View Post
 

 

What I was trying to say is that when you spend so much on an iem, it should at least sound good in the stock form. Of course you can EQ to tailor the sound to your preference but if it needs a "quick fix" of the EQ to make it listenable (as you said in your post) then obviously something is out of place!

 

I would rate an iem based on its stock form because to me that is already the finished product the manufacturer is selling. EQ can make many cheap iems sound awesome but when you have to do the same for something that costs 650$, well I just don't agree :-) 

 

I don't quite understand your comparison of an iem to an expensive receiver unit. Of course I would want to have features like EQ on such an expensive source but in my opinion it is there to compensate for the shortcomings of any speaker/headphone/earphone you choose to pair it with. 

 

To be fair there are many factors to be considered for an iem, dac, amp, a shift in impedance, dac quality, tuning etc will lead to a noticible change in the sound, a slight eq in the hands of the right person can fix that problem. Of course you can say don't get that dap/amp, to that I say too late, can't afford to keep buying/selling new dap and amps till it sounds perfect. 

post #814 of 1121
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Originally Posted by milford30 View Post
 

 

To be fair there are many factors to be considered for an iem, dac, amp, a shift in impedance, dac quality, tuning etc will lead to a noticible change in the sound, a slight eq in the hands of the right person can fix that problem. Of course you can say don't get that dap/amp, to that I say too late, can't afford to keep buying/selling new dap and amps till it sounds perfect. 

 

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post #815 of 1121
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Originally Posted by milford30 View Post
 

 

To be fair there are many factors to be considered for an iem, dac, amp, a shift in impedance, dac quality, tuning etc will lead to a noticible change in the sound, a slight eq in the hands of the right person can fix that problem. Of course you can say don't get that dap/amp, to that I say too late, can't afford to keep buying/selling new dap and amps till it sounds perfect. 

 

Oh I agree with you on that one but only if the source being used (DAC/AMP or DAP) has problems like high output impedance or a high noise floor. All the modern DAPs these days takes care of these issues very well. I have owned all the Fiio's , Sony A15 and DX90 and trust me when I say differences in sound between all these DAPs is noticeable but far smaller than what most reviews make them out to be.

 

As I said, a good EQ will allow one to overcome the shortcomings of an IEM. My point was that it is not a good thing in my book when a 650$ iem blatantly needs EQ to sound acceptable. 

post #816 of 1121
I can't add much to the discussion. However, someone considering a w40/x5 pairing I can say: I am sitting listening to my w40/x5 right now with Toomas Vanem - Toomas Vanem I playing right now. Pure sonic bliss. I also have the e12a amp, which I find is nice, but with these earphones and to my ears the x5 doesn't need it when out in the sunshine.

By the way, if you like electric guitars I highly recommend the Vanem album, look for the flac on band camp. Now, back to the music.
post #817 of 1121

Everybody talks about EQ and shortcomings of headphones or IEMs, but what about shortcomings of one's ears?

 

Another thing people talk about is hearing music "as the musician intended it". While that is certainly a consideration with some things, with others I am convinced that it is mixed (for commercial reasons) to sound good on crappy Earpods. There is just no way that some new material can sound as bad as it does on Westones otherwise. (Exits soapbox...:))


Edited by Baroninkjet - 3/23/15 at 9:48am
post #818 of 1121
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Originally Posted by bavinck View Post

I can't add much to the discussion. However, someone considering a w40/x5 pairing I can say: I am sitting listening to my w40/x5 right now with Toomas Vanem - Toomas Vanem I playing right now. Pure sonic bliss. I also have the e12a amp, which I find is nice, but with these earphones and to my ears the x5 doesn't need it when out in the sunshine.

By the way, if you like electric guitars I highly recommend the Vanem album, look for the flac on band camp. Now, back to the music.

 

Does not exist such thing. lol.

post #819 of 1121
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Originally Posted by omastic View Post
 

 

What I was trying to say is that when you spend so much on an iem, it should at least sound good in the stock form. Of course you can EQ to tailor the sound to your preference but if it needs a "quick fix" of the EQ to make it listenable (as you said in your post) then obviously something is out of place!

 

I would rate an iem based on its stock form because to me that is already the finished product the manufacturer is selling. EQ can make many cheap iems sound awesome but when you have to do the same for something that costs 650$, well I just don't agree :-) 

 

I don't quite understand your comparison of an iem to an expensive receiver unit. Of course I would want to have features like EQ on such an expensive source but in my opinion it is there to compensate for the shortcomings of any speaker/headphone/earphone you choose to pair it with. 


I understand your point and we can probably go around in circles here but UMPro50 has really good drivers....expensive drivers.  The stock tuning is warm and smooth.  But the drivers are VERY capable to adapting to EQ, moreso than a much cheaper IEM.  I guess that sort of explains where I am coming from.

post #820 of 1121

I've had a similar experience as Spyro with the w30s. I really enjoyed the improved bass response of the w30s over the GR07's. I did have to boost the treble a few dBs to get it to my liking. However, my friend tried them out and actually felt that they were pretty well balanced stock and he disabled my EQ. I guess to each their own. Perhaps a more apt comparison would be comparing it to expensive speakers in a non-anechoic environment where you get a lot of room interaction that alters the freq response... *shrug*

post #821 of 1121
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Originally Posted by Paulus XII View Post

Does not exist such thing. lol.

Just googled it and found it:
http://toomasvanem.bandcamp.com/releases

Hope you enjoy!
post #822 of 1121

Thanks bavinck :bigsmile_face: 

 

EDIT: Amazing, just amazing!!


Edited by Paulus XII - 3/23/15 at 5:14pm
post #823 of 1121

Pure sonic bliss here with W40/FiiO E12A and Nightwish... What a separation for Metal. And the mids...! :O


Edited by Paulus XII - 3/23/15 at 6:06pm
post #824 of 1121
I'll check out nightwish if I get the chance tonight. One of my test albums is insomnium's shadows of the dying sun. This does real well with the x5/w40.
post #825 of 1121

Let me check that one out ; )

 

EDIT: Oh God!!! :basshead: 

 

Besides Nightwish for sonic bliss with the W40's inside the Metal scenario, I strongly recommend you Theatre of Tragedy. It's amazing, especially from 2002.


Edited by Paulus XII - 3/23/15 at 7:31pm
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