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post #406 of 1121

I am having mixed feelings about the W40s recently bought. It's been played for ~20 hours now. I find them relatively not well-defined throughout the frequency range compared to my IE80s (recabled). They do sound generally balanced and easy-going, which might be a good thing for casual listening, but I feel missing something in the top highs, strings and piano is lacking the 'shine'. 

Bass is also a tiny bit bloated than the IE80s, although that may not necessarily be a bad thing. 

 

Can people tell if this is the normal sound for the W40s? Or is it the tips/fitting not optimal? I tried both foam and silicon tips, and am using the non-mic epic cable. 

I read that BA drivers don't change a lot in terms of burn-in (I did notice significant improvement within the first 10 hours but not until now), if that is true then these may not be to my liking...

post #407 of 1121
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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post
 

I am having mixed feelings about the W40s recently bought. It's been played for ~20 hours now. I find them relatively not well-defined throughout the frequency range compared to my IE80s (recabled). They do sound generally balanced and easy-going, which might be a good thing for casual listening, but I feel missing something in the top highs, strings and piano is lacking the 'shine'. 

Bass is also a tiny bit bloated than the IE80s, although that may not necessarily be a bad thing. 

 

Can people tell if this is the normal sound for the W40s? Or is it the tips/fitting not optimal? I tried both foam and silicon tips, and am using the non-mic epic cable. 

I read that BA drivers don't change a lot in terms of burn-in (I did notice significant improvement within the first 10 hours but not until now), if that is true then these may not be to my liking...

 

The W40 and W4R both measure the same, so I'll compare with that.  Bloated bass in contrast to the IE80...  That sounds a bit off, but your IE80 is recabled...  I can see the bass being a little veiled, but not bloated. 

 

I would recommend finding a pair of tips that have a wider opening for the treble, that has been shown to help.  BA drivers do change with burn in.  I'd give them a week before you decide to return them (if you can). 

post #408 of 1121
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The W40 and W4R both measure the same, so I'll compare with that.  Bloated bass in contrast to the IE80...  That sounds a bit off, but your IE80 is recabled...  I can see the bass being a little veiled, but not bloated. 

 

I would recommend finding a pair of tips that have a wider opening for the treble, that has been shown to help.  BA drivers do change with burn in.  I'd give them a week before you decide to return them (if you can). 

I think 'veiled' might be a better word than bloated (although I did say 'a tiny bit', guess I was thinking of 'veiled'...) My pair of IE80s do have very tight and controlled bass. 

As for the tips, will Comply T100 be a good choice? They seem to have a larger opening than stock tips. 

Thanks! 

post #409 of 1121
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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post
 

I think 'veiled' might be a better word than bloated (although I did say 'a tiny bit', guess I was thinking of 'veiled'...) My pair of IE80s do have very tight and controlled bass. 

As for the tips, will Comply T100 be a good choice? They seem to have a larger opening than stock tips. 

Thanks! 

 

The issue with Comply's is that they will suppress highs if not inserted properly...  There is actually a right way to insert comply tips...  You push the "head" of the tip in before you roll it...  Look at the video for an example:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Zc5meSooI

 

This will actually help with some of the treble issues if you aren't already doing this.  Even then, Comply's foam still does absorb some treble, which can be problematic XD  I know Westone includes their newer set of tips with the W40, I'm not sure if those are wide-bored.  If not, you may want to try other tips (purchasing them). 

post #410 of 1121

Hmm... that looks to be a lot of effort... =-=

I swapped to the shorter silicon tips and seem to get a bit more treble. It does make sense I think. 

post #411 of 1121

Bloated is not a word I would think of if asked about my W4R - now they are customs, but I find the bass is more nimble than my IE8/80's - and I find it hard to believe that a cable (certainly there is an effect - I'm not discounting that) could take the mid bass emphasis completely out of the IE80's repertoire. Are you using EQ at all? If you were to be using the same settings that you use with your Sennheisers, that could explain things. I don't even think my W3's (Universal) have bloated bass - it is certainly prominent - but not bloated. Interesting.

post #412 of 1121

I know it is probably rare, but my impression so far is the W40s are a bit more veiled/timid than my IE80s. In terms of bass, I usually have the IE80s' bass tuned to a medium level, and the absolute quantity is probably very close between the two, but IE80s hit tighter and more solid. This is quite evident on my psy-trance recordings like Infected Mushroom. The highs are more crispy and transparent on IE80s too. I guess the W40s should use some more burn-in. 

I don't remember much about the IE80s before the cable upgrade, so I can't say how much they changed themselves. 

post #413 of 1121

Sorry again, I guess 'mellow' would be a better word than 'timid' to describe the W40s. 

 

By the way, I can see the crack or welding fissure on my units as well, it is slightly more evident on the right unit, but not as bad as some of the pics up there. I'm not particularly concerned though. If it's a manufacture defect I think westone should know and act in time. 

post #414 of 1121
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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post

Hmm... that looks to be a lot of effort... =-=
I swapped to the shorter silicon tips and seem to get a bit more treble. It does make sense I think. 

I have returned to Westone Star silicon for W40s and much prefer over the Comply T100s. I felt fit was good with the Comply but lost bite and airiness in the treble and found some over-done mid bass.
post #415 of 1121
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Did they actually say there is a fault? Did they give any other details ?

 

Just checked saved email on PC,

 

"Thank you for your email and bringing this to our attention. We are looking into this situation. In the meantime we do ask that you return to who you purchased them through since you are still within the 30 day return policy"

 

It's not within 30 days, they didn't ask.  My dealer did say return them after seeing photos, but I also sent pictures to Westone and expected them now to say it is the design and not a fault.

 

Will hold off returning and if Westone have a few emails from us, maybe we will get some consistency.

post #416 of 1121
Did your original email to Westone include photos ?
post #417 of 1121
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Did your original email to Westone include photos ?

 

Yes, the same two I posted above here. That's why I am surprised they didn't say SONIC WELDING:D

post #418 of 1121
Interesting. Will see what they reply with overnight to me.
post #419 of 1121
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Originally Posted by ads1107 View Post

Interesting. Will see what they reply with overnight to me.

 

You send a photo?  Surely they should know straight away if it matches all others they produce?

post #420 of 1121
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Originally Posted by marshallmole View Post
 

I know it is probably rare, but my impression so far is the W40s are a bit more veiled/timid than my IE80s. In terms of bass, I usually have the IE80s' bass tuned to a medium level, and the absolute quantity is probably very close between the two, but IE80s hit tighter and more solid. This is quite evident on my psy-trance recordings like Infected Mushroom. The highs are more crispy and transparent on IE80s too. I guess the W40s should use some more burn-in. 

I don't remember much about the IE80s before the cable upgrade, so I can't say how much they changed themselves. 

 

I have the w4r, and I can see what you mean by veiled, I think you are just not used to the warm sound, I have been to stores and tried out cables (I was just handed cables to try without knowing the cost or material) , and silver cables tend to make the sound brighter and the bass tighter (I actually heard less bass though).

 

Even though the sound is warm the details are there, so it's not really veiled, just warm, it'll take a bit of time to adjust, or maybe you won't like it at all. It grew on me after a while, but I just got a ATH-im50 for a brighter sound and more bass, nice contrast sometimes.

 

I recommend you stick to the silicon star tips and get a decent equaliser and try this:

 

http://handtokey.blogspot.hk/2013/02/westone-4r-eq-settings.html

 

If it suddenly all opens up, maybe the signature of the w40 is too warm for your, either stick with the eq or try a cheap silver cable. Worst case try another iem like the one I mentioned before.

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