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post #301 of 1121
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Originally Posted by shadow_shooter View Post
 

If this is the case then what's W50s addressing exactly? Also what kind of genres you think may benefit more from W40s or W50s? I'm now confused. Isn't it all about the clarity, detail and soundstage game :) 

 

Sure, and you will get all of that with W40.  I haven't tested anything beyond quad/triple BA drivers (W40, UE900, ATH-IM03).  I find W40 to be at the top of the crop.  I assume, if they would have to improve W40, they would have to make it a bit brighter since right now it's slightly on the warmer side.  A lot of this has to do with a personal preference.  Based on your choices, sounds like you have a pretty open budget up to $600-$700.  I'm not a pro audiophile, but I do review a lot of headphones.  Also, I don't know what headphones you are using now, so hopefully I'm not insulting your intelligence.  But in my opinion, in order to appreciate upper class 5-/6-driver IEMs, you need to start by testing triple/quad drivers so you can hear different signature and improvements of additional driver contribution.  Or you can just assume W60 will be the best and buy it :)

post #302 of 1121
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

 

Sure, and you will get all of that with W40.  I haven't tested anything beyond quad/triple BA drivers (W40, UE900, ATH-IM03).  I find W40 to be at the top of the crop.  I assume, if they would have to improve W40, they would have to make it a bit brighter since right now it's slightly on the warmer side.  A lot of this has to do with a personal preference.  Based on your choices, sounds like you have a pretty open budget up to $600-$700.  I'm not a pro audiophile, but I do review a lot of headphones.  Also, I don't know what headphones you are using now, so hopefully I'm not insulting your intelligence.  But in my opinion, in order to appreciate upper class 5-/6-driver IEMs, you need to start by testing triple/quad drivers so you can hear different signature and improvements of additional driver contribution.  Or you can just assume W60 will be the best and buy it :)

This is a fair enough response twister, it's safe to say you're not hurting anyone's intelligence. Although I've not listened to many high level headphones, I do know what I am expecting and they're kind of hard to fulfill. I am currently using Vsonic GR07. Before I've used Westone UM2. I was less than impressed with UM2s... Seeing all the fuss about them those times... Bass was TERRIBLE! It was when I've thought I was maybe a "bass head" after all since everyone else was telling "bass was good" with them and how "warm" they sounded. So I'm scared paying that extra much with W40's will make me sad... Especially if the bass levels of UM2 is a sign of overall Westone signature. I just want bass whenever the song calls for it. I like "full, thumping, textured" but NOT "throbbing" bass. Feel free to explode my brain with bass but don't make me listen to distorted, exaggerated, throbbing bass. But clarity, soundstage is also a must for me. When closing eyes, I want to think I'm in a live concert, all instruments separated nicely. I pay attention to background music more than the vocals-if this makes sense.  

 

Money is not a problem -well up to $700 if anything can give me this experience. This is why I'm reluctant about W40. If W40 was all about it, then what're W50-60 for? This is where I'm coming from in that question.

 

I am scared maybe that WOW factor I've been expecting for years never exists with any headphones. Maybe my expectations are simply too high. Wish I could test them first before buying. BTW when saying "warmth", what frequencies are forward?


Edited by shadow_shooter - 4/8/14 at 2:34pm
post #303 of 1121
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Wish I could test them first before buying.

I had a demo of W40s before buying, compared with three other iems. Where you based? Can't see from phone app.
post #304 of 1121
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I had a demo of W40s before buying, compared with three other iems. Where you based? Can't see from phone app.

I'm in San Jose/San Francisco, CA. 

 

Also I just talked to customer service and I'm surprised that they said if bass was concern, I should rather go with UM pro 50s not W40-W50's. I've asked what's W50-60s improving on and if they have any specific spectrum forward. He said W series were supposed to sound all neutral and UM series more warm sounding. I had the impression this was vice versa? I thought warmer signature would be more aligned for end user and since they're recommending UM series for professionals... Don't professionals need more "neutral" sounding headphones to produce as accurate music as possible?

 

Any thoughts about these guys? BTW he also said soundstage wise, both models will be exactly the same.  I was just right at the edge of buying W40, but now things got complicated once again!:ph34r:


Edited by shadow_shooter - 4/8/14 at 2:58pm
post #305 of 1121
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Originally Posted by shadow_shooter View Post
 

I'm in San Jose/San Francisco, CA. 

 

Also I just talked to customer service and I'm surprised that they said if bass was concern, I should rather go with UM pro 50s not W40-W50's. I've asked what's W50-60s improving on and if they have any specific spectrum forward. He said W series were supposed to sound all neutral and UM series more warm sounding. I had the impression this was vice versa? I thought warmer signature would be more aligned for end user and since they're recommending UM series for professionals... Don't professionals need more "neutral" sounding headphones to produce as accurate music as possible?

 

Any thoughts about these guys? BTW he also said soundstage wise, both models will be exactly the same.  I was just right at the edge of buying W40, but now things got complicated once again!:ph34r:

The UM series are designed for stage monitoring, not so for music production.
Most, if not all studios use headphones for monitoring and mastering.

 

If you have the chance, go try them out yourself. What sounds nice to others might not sound nice to you.


Edited by MachBot - 4/8/14 at 3:24pm
post #306 of 1121

I posted a couple of pages back asking for help deciding between W3 and W40.  I got the W3's because the price was so good and wanted to hear them to see if I liked them before spending the extra money on the W40's.  I am listening to them now and not loving the sound.  The bass seems "muddy" to me and I can't stand the sibilance.  So once again, I am asking for help.

 

1. Do I need to listen to them more to get used to the sound?

2. Is this the type of sound with Westone products? Should I be looking at another brand?

2. Knowing that the bass seems "muddy" to me and the sibilance, would the W40 be a better choice?

3. If you think that the W40 would not be a good choice for me, do you have any other suggestions?

 

Listen to rock (metallica, breaking benjamin, shinedown), some rap, classic rock (black sabbath, pink floyd, zepplin, who). Not much jazz or classical.

 

Thanks!

post #307 of 1121
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Originally Posted by jbenson17 View Post
 

I posted a couple of pages back asking for help deciding between W3 and W40.  I got the W3's because the price was so good and wanted to hear them to see if I liked them before spending the extra money on the W40's.  I am listening to them now and not loving the sound.  The bass seems "muddy" to me and I can't stand the sibilance.  So once again, I am asking for help.

 

1. Do I need to listen to them more to get used to the sound?

2. Is this the type of sound with Westone products? Should I be looking at another brand?

2. Knowing that the bass seems "muddy" to me and the sibilance, would the W40 be a better choice?

3. If you think that the W40 would not be a good choice for me, do you have any other suggestions?

 

Listen to rock (metallica, breaking benjamin, shinedown), some rap, classic rock (black sabbath, pink floyd, zepplin, who). Not much jazz or classical.

 

Thanks!

   I tried the w20, and UM 30 before the W40. There wasn't a W3 to try but a lot of people have said that the W40 is superior to the W4 even though they are similiar, so I would think the W40 should be a significant step up from the W3. I ended up with  the W40 as it seemed quite a bit more refined sounding. I have similar music tastes to you, mostly hard rock, rock and some pop stuff.  They may be a little sensitive to the source you're using but I find they sound pretty good with my Note 3 and even better with my X3 

post #308 of 1121
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Originally Posted by jbenson17 View Post

I posted a couple of pages back asking for help deciding between W3 and W40.  I got the W3's because the price was so good and wanted to hear them to see if I liked them before spending the extra money on the W40's.  I am listening to them now and not loving the sound.  The bass seems "muddy" to me and I can't stand the sibilance.  So once again, I am asking for help.

1. Do I need to listen to them more to get used to the sound?
2. Is this the type of sound with Westone products? Should I be looking at another brand?
2. Knowing that the bass seems "muddy" to me and the sibilance, would the W40 be a better choice?
3. If you think that the W40 would not be a good choice for me, do you have any other suggestions?

Listen to rock (metallica, breaking benjamin, shinedown), some rap, classic rock (black sabbath, pink floyd, zepplin, who). Not much jazz or classical.

Thanks!
Using the foam tips would eliminate the sibilance.

The sibilance is ear piercing on the silicon tips, been there for a few days.
post #309 of 1121
I am using the silicone tips. I tried using the foam tips but did not like them as much, but will try them again.
post #310 of 1121
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Originally Posted by MachBot View Post

The UM series are designed for stage monitoring, not so for music production.

Most, if not all studios use headphones for monitoring and mastering.

If you have the chance, go try them out yourself. What sounds nice to others might not sound nice to you.

Do you mean an average person should be going for the monitoring buds, basically um series since they are supposed to have more enjoyable sound signature? Oh well then I am getting UM 50s. I am not sure then why would others buy w series if not music producers.
post #311 of 1121
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Originally Posted by MachBot View Post

The UM series are designed for stage monitoring, not so for music production.

Most, if not all studios use headphones for monitoring and mastering.

If you have the chance, go try them out yourself. What sounds nice to others might not sound nice to you.

Between um30 and w40, what were your thoughts and why did u end up buying w40s?

How was bass response between two ?
post #312 of 1121
-SNIP-

Read the original post wrong.
Edited by tinyman392 - 4/8/14 at 8:43pm
post #313 of 1121
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Originally Posted by shadow_shooter View Post

Do you mean an average person should be going for the monitoring buds, basically um series since they are supposed to have more enjoyable sound signature? Oh well then I am getting UM 50s. I am not sure then why would others buy w series if not music producers.
I'm not saying everyone should buy the um series of monitors, it all boils down to preference.

Between the w3(not w30) and the um pro 30, I very much prefer the sound signature of the um pro 30. The only reason I got the w3 is because it was going for $160 on Amazon. It was my first pair of decent IEMs too. Of course I turned down the bass and tuned the highs a little to get a more balanced sound.
Edited by MachBot - 4/8/14 at 8:36pm
post #314 of 1121
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Originally Posted by shadow_shooter View Post

Between um30 and w40, what were your thoughts and why did u end up buying w40s?

How was bass response between two ?
I have not tried both um pro 30 and w40. But if the w40 sound similar to the predecessor(w4r), I would get the um pro 30 as the sound stage on the w4r is kind of weird, it extends too far out. It is like the sound coming from behind you. The um pro 30's hit the spot for bass and mids, both coexist pretty well.

Regarding the bass response for the w4r, all I have was a few short minutes with the w4r and I wasn't in a proper setting to audition gear, so I'll rather not talk about it.

Just to clear things up, I didn't buy the w40 nor the um pro 30. I have a w3 for about 3 months however.
Edited by MachBot - 4/8/14 at 8:53pm
post #315 of 1121

Then my dilemma still persists... God why does this have to be this hard?

 

The cs operator I talked to said W series were supposed to be more neutral sounding so they replicate exactly the pre recorded music, whereas UM sounds warmer and more fun because this is what singers need on stage... Go and figure...

 

I just need the best headphone that offers better bass! Is it so hard to tell which one it should be? I also listen to classical so apparently instrument separation, clarity is also important. Money is not a problem, the problem is seems like no else knows what and if such headphone exists. It's quite annoying people buying these don't give back to the community and share their insight with potential buyers like us. Wish could find a store selling Westone in Bay area. All dealers listed on their website (literally just two) don't keep a stock of them. How the hell do people find stores to audition them then!!! Supposedly I live in one of the largest cities. This place must be village.

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