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post #136 of 1153
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

I've the W4 (same setup as the W40) and it does fine with 256 AAC (default iTunes).  256 AAC is actually pretty good quality, I wouldn't dip below it though.

 

 

Actually, a lot of people can't tell the difference between 320 MP3 and lossless...  As you go up, less information is taken out.  Generally, in the highs, they try to take out supersonic frequencies. 

 

Personally, I won't dip below 256 otherwise I'll hear the difference (using a pair of earpods :p)

 

The W4 and W40 sound noticeable different. The W40 has a deeper bass, more powerful but detailed, I don´t like when the sound has a lot of bass but with the W40 I'm really enjoying it. Also the mids are different, clearer. The first thing you can notice between when you change from the W40 to the W4 is that the "S" sounds (I don't know what's the name in English -sorry) is almost annoying, I remember that with the Westone UM2 I had the same feeling.

 

And regarding the Lossless formats (this is completely personal and based on my own experience): they are great for archiving purposes, but for listening they don't make any sense. I did several ABX test with the W4, Alessandro MS2 and the Asus Xonar STX soundcard with FLAC and MP3 at 128 and 192 encoded by myself. The result was that for the 128kbps I could guess the FLAC in the 90% of the times (roughly, depends on the album, song, style...etc). With 192kbps the test was very confusing as I only could differentiate one song!

 

So now I only encode my music at 256kbps and use Google Play Music (paid).

 

I am not saying that there are people able to differentiate a 320kbps from a FLAC, but maybe less than 1%...and those who "think" they can do it, they should try an ABX test first :).

 

More details here: http://reproductormp3.net/index.php?topic=12661.0 (in Spanish)

post #137 of 1153
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Originally Posted by frozst View Post
 

 

The W4 and W40 sound noticeable different. The W40 has a deeper bass, more powerful but detailed, I don´t like when the sound has a lot of bass but with the W40 I'm really enjoying it. Also the mids are different, clearer. The first thing you can notice between when you change from the W40 to the W4 is that the "S" sounds (I don't know what's the name in English -sorry) is almost annoying, I remember that with the Westone UM2 I had the same feeling.

 

And regarding the Lossless formats (this is completely personal and based on my own experience): they are great for archiving purposes, but for listening they don't make any sense. I did several ABX test with the W4, Alessandro MS2 and the Asus Xonar STX soundcard with FLAC and MP3 at 128 and 192 encoded by myself. The result was that for the 128kbps I could guess the FLAC in the 90% of the times (roughly, depends on the album, song, style...etc). With 192kbps the test was very confusing as I only could differentiate one song!

 

So now I only encode my music at 256kbps and use Google Play Music (paid).

 

I am not saying that there are people able to differentiate a 320kbps from a FLAC, but maybe less than 1%...and those who "think" they can do it, they should try an ABX test first :).

 

More details here: http://reproductormp3.net/index.php?topic=12661.0 (in Spanish)

 

I thought someone had gotten confirmation from Westone that the W40 and W4(R) shared the same drivers...  I might be off on this.  That is what I was basing that assumption on.  I do know that as I was using the W4(R) and burning it in, sibilance went down as well as bass smoothing out.  Also, tips can also make a difference as they do come supplied with different tips (at least with the W4, they've been shown to make a huge difference).  Again, my assumption is based entirely on that first statement in this post... 

post #138 of 1153
They are very different. The W2 is smooth and balanced with no major emphasis, perhaps a bit of midrange emphasis. The W3 is heavily V-shaped with recessed mids.
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Originally Posted by Robot Mania FU View Post

This is making my decision so much more difficult. Now that a removable cable was offered I was set on getting the w20's.  However, the release of these new products has dropped the price of the westone 3's to only $20 more than the w20's.  I would love to have removable cables, but is the westone 3's sound quality that much better to not worry about the cables?
post #139 of 1153
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

I thought someone had gotten confirmation from Westone that the W40 and W4(R) shared the same drivers...  I might be off on this.  That is what I was basing that assumption on.  I do know that as I was using the W4(R) and burning it in, sibilance went down as well as bass smoothing out.  Also, tips can also make a difference as they do come supplied with different tips (at least with the W4, they've been shown to make a huge difference).  Again, my assumption is based entirely on that first statement in this post... 

You are right, they are the same.  Just like UM3X = UMPro30 and all the others.   But when we buy a brand new version of the same product our brain convinces us it's "better" cause we just shelled out all that money.


Edited by Spyro - 2/13/14 at 8:03pm
post #140 of 1153

So is the w4 worth the extra price bump over the w4r?
Considering one of these for my next portable setup

post #141 of 1153
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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post
 

So is the w4 worth the extra price bump over the w4r?
Considering one of these for my next portable setup

 

The W4, W4R, and W40 all use the same drivers.  The only thing you'll be getting upping from the original to the newer models would be a removeable cable with the 4R and remote and mic controls with the 40 (if I'm not mistaken).  So the value of that is subjective. 

post #142 of 1153
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

The W4, W4R, and W40 all use the same drivers.  The only thing you'll be getting upping from the original to the newer models would be a removeable cable with the 4R and remote and mic controls with the 40 (if I'm not mistaken).  So the value of that is subjective. 

Also the W40 uses the MMCX connector instead of the Westone 2 pin

post #143 of 1153
Stop confusing people.

I own the w4r and the w40 and I can say that there is no burn in time for the drivers.

The w40 and w4 may have same drivers, but sound is different. Stated by westone and confirmed by me, also with many people.

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post #144 of 1153
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Originally Posted by frozst View Post

Stop confusing people.

I own the w4r and the w40 and I can say that there is no burn in time for the drivers.

The w40 and w4 may have same drivers, but sound is different. Stated by westone and confirmed by me, also with many people.

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This blows my mind.  There use to be a couple Westone reps on Head-Fi but they don't come around here no more.


Edited by Spyro - 2/15/14 at 7:38am
post #145 of 1153

Frozst --- I personally apologize for my ignorance.  Please accept.

 

But I'd say Cody has himself in a heep of trouble throwing that comment out there when the IEM's have identical drivers, specs and measurements....and most importantly.....Westone has done ZERO marketing or ANY notifications whatsoever that the W40 is an upgrade.

 

Heck, Cody could be out on the street selling used cars at this point already.


Edited by Spyro - 2/14/14 at 8:53pm
post #146 of 1153

can someone correct me if I'm wrong here but with BAs, all the moving air is contained within the actual armature and the shell itself plays no part in the acoustics right? I mean even the Westone guy said so in the youtube video

 

 

so my question is... Why did Cody, the Westone rep tried to blindside me with these words from his email:

 

Thanks for your email.  The W40 will have upgraded casing which is more ergonomically designed and has interchangeable faceplates.  Also, because of the new casing, the W40 has new sound routing, which helps to provide greater clarity and detail, as well as improved bass response.  Also, the W40 comes with 2 cables; one regular and one Apple certified with 3 button volume control and microphone. Thanks!

 

+1 to Spyro, at this point Westone is not doing their target audience any favours with their marketing speak

post #147 of 1153
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Originally Posted by kookoo View Post
 

can someone correct me if I'm wrong here but with BAs, all the moving air is contained within the actual armature and the shell itself plays no part in the acoustics right? I mean even the Westone guy said so in the youtube video

 

 

so my question is... Why did Cody, the Westone rep tried to blindside me with these words from his email:

 

Thanks for your email.  The W40 will have upgraded casing which is more ergonomically designed and has interchangeable faceplates.  Also, because of the new casing, the W40 has new sound routing, which helps to provide greater clarity and detail, as well as improved bass response.  Also, the W40 comes with 2 cables; one regular and one Apple certified with 3 button volume control and microphone. Thanks!

 

+1 to Spyro, at this point Westone is not doing their target audience any favours with their marketing speak

 

New sound routing can mean a new nozzle design...  That can change sound.  Someone needs to measure them :p 

post #148 of 1153
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

New sound routing can mean a new nozzle design...  That can change sound.  Someone needs to measure them :p 

If that's the case then I can accept the premise.

 

I still don't think Westone is doing anybody any favours releasing new models without explaining what the changes are against the current lineup

post #149 of 1153

tinyman.....I agree but same specs is same specs.  I assume if specs are same that the sound would have to be the same.

post #150 of 1153
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

tinyman.....I agree but same specs is same specs.  I assume if specs are same that the sound would have to be the same.

That's a horrible assumption my friend. Specs are an extremely limited measurement. They are 4 0-dimensional measurements. If the frequency response and impedance curves matched, then that would confirm it. But same measurements at 1k says very little.
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