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post #16 of 28
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For example, there are more and more cable manufacturers that make use of quantum woo woo to try to justify their inability to back up the claims they make. The claims are getting more ridiculous so they also need more ridiculous justifications.

That should shy away pretty much anyone who possesses even just a tiny bit of reason.

 

If people can believe in imaginary beings, then quantum woo woo is far more scientific and worthy of acceptance IMO. Hey, its got the word 'Quantum'.

 

Now I'm feeling the word 'Heisenberg' is going to see a resurgence. Imagine a cable based on the Uncertainity Principle.

post #17 of 28

I'd say that belief in such beings is more like a tradition for most people. You do it because your parents do it, and their parents did it, and their ....

 

 

Quantum woo woo on the other hand is relatively new compared to that, so hopefully will be categorized as pseudoscientific nonsense by people who stumble upon it - something not even bad science fiction writers would dare to commit to paper. :p 

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post #19 of 28

Just thought I'd go back to the definition of 'ignorance':

 

Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge)

 

Awareness is the state or ability to perceive, to feel, or to be conscious of events, objects, or sensory patterns.

 

To be aware of one's ignorance : to be able to perceive that one is uninformed.

 

 

Is it so hard?

 

The first step is to be aware of it. 


Edited by proton007 - 10/3/13 at 7:59am
post #20 of 28
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Is it so hard?

 

Being aware that there is something we label "bias" which can dramatically change what and how we perceive? Unfortunately, it seems that way. :( 

post #21 of 28
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Being aware that there is something we label "bias" which can dramatically change what and how we perceive? Unfortunately, it seems that way. :( 

 

Well, it seems even ignorance is hard to pursue. :(

Is there any hope for us?

post #22 of 28

I like Quantum resonated cheese from the Quark cow. Only $75 an ounce. :deadhorse:

post #23 of 28
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Well, it seems even ignorance is hard to pursue.

 

Pure ignorance is easy to deal with. Just present the evidence. What's hard to deal with is the willful version, i.e. sticking fingers in the ears going *lalalalalaaaaaaa*, or closed-mindedness.


Edited by xnor - 10/3/13 at 9:53am
post #24 of 28

Try reasoning with a Creationist, then you'll surely know the mean of abject stupidity. 

 

P.S. The moon IS made of cheese.

 

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Pure ignorance is easy to deal with. Just present the evidence. What's hard to deal with is the willful version, i.e. sticking fingers in the ears going *lalalalalaaaaaaa*, or closed-mindedness.

post #25 of 28

The moon doesn't even exist, because I don't see it at the moment. In fact, you all are not real either but just a product of my mind, which is the only thing that exists.

 

Quite a bit egoistic but a perfectly fine solipsist viewpoint, or one could say an extreme form of metaphysical subjectivism.

 

 

There are all kinds of crazy viewpoints and worldviews...


Edited by xnor - 10/3/13 at 2:19pm
post #26 of 28

talking about the pursuit of ignorance (..and extinction..), I wonder what you all make of this report I watched on channel 4's last evening on Afghanistan's Hunted Women.

 

I hope you are able to see it in your country, as everyone ought to see this. everyone...

 

I'm speechless...

 

[edit: wrong link]


Edited by Lenni - 10/5/13 at 12:03pm
post #27 of 28

Can't watch the video in my area, but the description is horrible enough.

 

 

I guess the Age of Enlightenment*, secularization, humanism never reached Afghanistan, though I may be completely off since I can't watch..

 

*) reason and individualism rather than tradition, scientific thought and skepticism and intellectual interchange rather than superstition and intolerance

post #28 of 28

^^

While I'm all for enlightenment and tolerance, something tells me the lives of these victims are not going to change.

One problem is that Afghanistan, as a country has been in a constant state of exploitation by some country or the other. Most of their forests are gone, most of their water goes to other countries naturally. Its pretty much a s**thole that needs massive amounts of money and terraforming to work correctly. Why would anyone do that?

When the people have nothing else to think about other than survival, which part of the brain do you think is most active? If it were for the cerebral cortex, most people in Afghanistan would be dead by now. With primitive instincts come primitive actions and morality.

 

The reason being, no one has actually cared about them. Not now, not in the past. Now that these people are accessible to the outside world, they'll be exploited by the media and then by charities. Countries will use them on posters to showcase the social change they're trying to bring about in these 'uncivilized' countries.

 

Its not only this one country. Its the same case in Africa, and it was the same case with Asia a few decades back. No one wants to help anyone as long as there's nothing to exploit.

 

In the end its all just a political game. Nothing more. The exploitable value of an alive victim is a lot more than a dead one, thats all.


Edited by proton007 - 10/5/13 at 9:35pm
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