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post #541 of 597

Ah, so it is the P1. I actually asked before your visual of it loaded, lol. I just went to their website and waiting for it to load.

post #542 of 597
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there is an extensive thread regarding the P1, and I do beleive there is a comparison to the x5 as well. I can't remember what the end result was. 


The end result as I just read is that he liked the P1 better than the X5. Wow, it's priced at $1200. This is putting Cowon in perfectionist territory. It was more favored than the dx100. Still, the caliber of the Cowon products as maybe high mid-fi and not really audiophile quality is gonna cause me to doubt this until I've heard more critiques.

post #543 of 597

My issue with the DX is the battery life...... then again if the P1 has a short life when compared to the J3.  The J3 has really spoiled me in that respect.

Dr. John Moulton

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

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post #544 of 597
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Is that the Cowon P1? And to my point, is it  a possible AK240 beater? I can say I'm a Cowon fan b/c I owned a J3 which was pretty good. The X5 I have is in a different league though.

Measurement on a Korea site(seeko) indicates that P1 actually does beat AK240.

post #545 of 597
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Measurement on a Korea site(seeko) indicates that P1 actually does beat AK240.


Wow! I guess we are going to be hearing a lot more about this dap. Maybe now, Cowon is really going for the big leagues and the high end. Their price for the P1 is about 3 times of their other ones, isn't it? I am eager to read reports on its build quality and innards.

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Cowon makes good quality stuff, I'd also like to take a listen to it..
post #547 of 597
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Wow! I guess we are going to be hearing a lot more about this dap. Maybe now, Cowon is really going for the big leagues and the high end. Their price for the P1 is about 3 times of their other ones, isn't it? I am eager to read reports on its build quality and innards.

Even at 3 times, it is still a competitive price

Dr. John Moulton

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

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post #548 of 597
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Even at 3 times, it is still a competitive price


Yes, I agree with you fully if it's as good as some have said it is. That has to go on my daps to consider list! I wonder, has it been released here or in Europe? There's been so little mention of it. Must have just been released anywhere.

post #549 of 597
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Measurement on a Korea site(seeko) indicates that P1 actually does beat AK240.

Seeko verified the measurements to very close to the values P1 put out.  It's not really telling of sonic performance as pretty much all DAPs output magnitudes lower THD than any headphone can output, and the FR without load are pretty much flat with all DAPs.  I would like to see how it responds with different headphone loads, that would be telling.

 

AK240 has been measured to have higher THD+N than DX90, but sonically AK240 outdoes the 90.  These measured values are not vary useful.


Edited by SilverEars - 8/15/14 at 8:45pm
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Seeko verified the measurements to very close to the values P1 put out.  It's not really telling of sonic performance as pretty much all DAPs output magnitudes lower THD than any headphone can output, and the FR without load are pretty much flat with all DAPs.  I would like to see how it responds with different headphone loads, that would be telling.

 

AK240 has been measured to have higher THD+N than DX90, but sonically AK240 outdoes the 90.  These measured values are not vary useful.

Of course. Measurements cannot if you will like a DAP more than another. Though it does prove that P1 has lowest distortion ever seen on any DAPs. Unless you like distortion, I can't see how this can be bad in anyways.

post #551 of 597
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Of course. Measurements cannot if you will like a DAP more than another. Though it does prove that P1 has lowest distortion ever seen on any DAPs. Unless you like distortion, I can't see how this can be bad in anyways.

It's not bad of course, but at the same time the distortion value is way below to have any affect to the headphone since headphones have magnitude greater distortion output.  The treble on the 240 is much finer and output greater resolution than the DX90.  Also, it has much more dynamic sound if the recording outputs it, but the DX90 didn't sound transparent to the recording or did it output higher quality recordings the way 240 is able to do.  What I've experienced is that most DAPs does not scale with the quality of the recording, but the 240 outputs much greater detail and dynamics if it is in the recording. I thought it was trasparent to recording quality, which I have not experienced with DAPs before.  Only other source that is transparent is my desktop source, so the 240 get very close to a desktop setup.

 

I haven't heard the P1, so cannot comment on the sound, and I cannot say it's better than 240 on measurements since it's not telling.


Edited by SilverEars - 8/15/14 at 10:35pm
post #552 of 597
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It's not bad of course, but at the same time the distortion value is way below to have any affect to the headphone since headphones have magnitude greater distortion output.  The treble on the 240 is much finer and output greater resolution than the DX90.  Also, it has much more dynamic sound if the recording outputs it, but the DX90 didn't sound transparent to the recording or did it output higher quality recordings the way 240 is able to do.  What I've experienced is that most DAPs does not scale with the quality of the recording, but the 240 outputs much greater detail and dynamics if it is in the recording. I thought it was trasparent to recording quality, which I have not experienced with DAPs before.  Only other source that is transparent is my desktop source, so the 240 get very close to a desktop setup.

 

I haven't heard the P1, so cannot comment on the sound, and I cannot say it's better than 240 on measurements since it's not telling.

You're right. i have not heard the P1 too. And I also thought that AK240 sounded cleaner and bigger(wide and real) when compared to DX90.

post #553 of 597
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You're right. i have not heard the P1 too. And I also thought that AK240 sounded cleaner and bigger(wide and real) when compared to DX90.

Regarding the P1.  Tom wrote a quick review, but it didn't seem very telling because he chose to test it with a popular music.  240 doesn't sound well with popular music, and my initial impressions were based on popular music and it wasn't favorable until I tested it with audiophile tracks which sounded more dynamic with wider stage with better masterings, and typical pop sounded flat.  So, I feel Tom should have tested the P1 with different types of recordings to get a more comprehensive impression.


Edited by SilverEars - 8/15/14 at 10:57pm
post #554 of 597

Solude posted this graph of Calyx Coffee.  Sometimes FR measurements can be helpful as in this case.  In this case it's helpful since different loads has been tested.  Was P1's measurement conducted using different resistors atleast?  I only saw one FR and assumed without load output which is quite useless.  The resistors somewhat model a headphone load, but I personally like headphone load as comparison to a close value of a resistor.

 

post #555 of 597
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My issue with the DX is the battery life...... then again if the P1 has a short life when compared to the J3.  The J3 has really spoiled me in that respect.


Looks like battery life of 8 hrs....

I think I'll pass on this one

Dr. John Moulton

Here at Noble, we craft some of the finest universal and custom in-ear monitors available today. 

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