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The center button was meant to bring up a sub-menu initially, which gave you extra functions. But those extra functions were so unstable that Hifiman decided to disable them right after the first firmware reversion until they can sort them out properly. So at the meantime, it is just another play / pause button.


Hey ClieOS, word behind the scenes is you may be retiring from doing reviews for awhile. I think I speak for the majority on here in saying we all hope the rumor is false. I'll admit I haven't always seen eye to eye concerning some of your reviews but overall the vast majority of what I've read from you have been quite entertaining and spot on. It would be a loss to the community it you decided to retire.

post #842 of 1306

I'm sure he's tired of the hostility in general. It's like being put on trial and I know exactly where' he's coming from if that is the case. It's not worth the bs.

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I've yet to meet a person that can successfully differentiate my iPod Touch 5g and a top of the line "Audiophile" DAP, both driving power-thrifty headphones like IEMs (assuming that the "Audiophile" DAP does not have some ridiculous distorted FR.) Pop in a nice amp, and you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference at all. <1 Ohm output impedance, ruler flat FR and inaudible distortion. What more could you ask for? The only thumbs up I'd give towards Audiophile DAPs would be a nice amp and other bonuses like balanced outputs, but even then getting a dedicated portable amp may be the better option. Frankly headphone upgrades are usually far more rewarding than source upgrades.

 

Edit: meet. Typo xD

 

Guess you haven't met me yet ;)... Even with a good amp still not comparable.

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Guess you haven't met me yet ;)... Even with a good amp still not comparable.


You passed the Golden Ears test, didn't you? Passing this test can be very expensive, because you hear the difference. Thank god I do not hear it too much.......:ph34r:

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You passed the Golden Ears test, didn't you? Passing this test can be very expensive, because you hear the difference. Thank god I do not hear it too much.......:ph34r:

 

So true. But at the same time you can still find satisfaction and not feel the need to always upgrade. Although that is the hardest part I'd say.

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Guess you haven't met me yet wink.gif... Even with a good amp still not comparable.


You passed the Golden Ears test, didn't you? Passing this test can be very expensive, because you hear the difference. Thank god I do not hear it too much.......ph34r.gif
You don't need anything fancy to do that test though. XD
One of my friends did it with $10 earphones.
post #847 of 1306

Rolling op-amps taught me to listen analytically.  Whether that is a good thing or bad is open to debate.  :o

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Rolling op-amps taught me to listen analytically.  Whether that is a good thing or bad is open to debate.  :o

 

That's a good thing. You pay attention to fine detail and it has meaning to you. Most don't have that ability nor do they care. It's generally a quantity game.

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I don't really know that I can hear the difference.  I'm nearly sixty-nine years old and my wife tells me I'm losing my hearing.  I say she mumbles alot and is trying to drive me nuts.  At any rate,  even though I enjoy my Cowon D2+ very much, I always wondered if there was music I was missing.  With the HM802, it is my hope I'll be able to hear it all.  Hearing it all, in combination with some isolating headphones, also helps my drown out the sound of she-who-cooks' constant mumbling.


Edited by Willieboy - 2/22/14 at 3:47pm
post #850 of 1306
haha, funny talk, yes we hear what we want to hear because this is in our brain. i have a friend musical conductor and he can tell apart acoustic piano from electronic grand piano on normal recording listened on very average gear which sound very similar to untrained ear normally.

for me audiophile DAP or IEM is all about naturalness of tonality and decay, i never expect change in music itself but i listen to whether bass guitar lacks bodily energy or whether violins have enough air around them or whether piano reverbs fade out smoothly enough or not and so on.

otherwise i never expected change in bass quantity or more trebles, this would be hillarious to suggest change in bass quantity because recording is made from one material, but quality is all different issue which makes us pay much more.
Edited by Gintaras - 2/22/14 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by iamthem View Post
 

I've yet to meet a person that can successfully differentiate my iPod Touch 5g and a top of the line "Audiophile" DAP, both driving power-thrifty headphones like IEMs (assuming that the "Audiophile" DAP does not have some ridiculous distorted FR.) Pop in a nice amp, and you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference at all. <1 Ohm output impedance, ruler flat FR and inaudible distortion. What more could you ask for? The only thumbs up I'd give towards Audiophile DAPs would be a nice amp and other bonuses like balanced outputs, but even then getting a dedicated portable amp may be the better option. Frankly headphone upgrades are usually far more rewarding than source upgrades.

 

Edit: meet. Typo xD


I believe a member I sent my $100 Colorfly C3 for a loan period instantly gave up on his iPod Touch 5G on hearing the Colorfly. Within 2 days he had bought himself a C3. It's all logged somewhere deep in my PM msgs. I think there are many ways to tell if you know what to listen for, such as separation, soundstage width, tonality (among other areas) a lot of it comes to down to experience of the user.

post #852 of 1306

There's always the "sound is sound" aspect H20 ;)...

post #853 of 1306
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There's always the "sound is sound" aspect H20 ;)...


I think Hisound players would be particularly easy to differentiate due to their commonly strong house sound.  

I wish Hisound would push further forward improve their UI, and bring us a successor to Studio V, their house sound / tonality / technical ability is exactly where I want to be. I'm basically waving money at them to bring me something else to try.
 


Edited by H20Fidelity - 2/22/14 at 7:22pm
post #854 of 1306

Some on this forum have mentioned the Studio sounds no different than a Sansa Clip lol....

post #855 of 1306
Those are the ones with common sense, and who aren't afraid of a double blind test.
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