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post #796 of 1453
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post



Because i remember all big fuzz about DX50 outperforming AK, and some told even RWAK.
So i bought DX50 which happened to be a very nice machine, very good sounding especially if you come up from iPods and smartphones...
But, but, when i put DX50 vs. my RWAK the latter easily won, sadly so because i was planning selling it and keeping DX50. Hey said i to myself, RWAK has mod, so lets see what happens if i amp DX50 from line out...and i did. I loved what happened to DX50 because my T1 transformed DX50 into a serious contender and would make many listeners happy...still, cough cough again here.... RWAK unamped won from amped DX50 although by a smaller margin. I would not mention smoother GUI, smaller size and the looks but guess which DAP i kept? Right, RWAK.
 

 

Maybe, but I wasn't talking about the DX50 or AK100/120.

post #797 of 1453
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Maybe, but I wasn't talking about the DX50 or AK100/120.

I know you mentioned AK240 and i have not heard it yet, but i can well imagine that the story might repeat itself here because AK makes very well sounding DAPs.

Sadly i will not know how AK240 sounds because i am going Calyx M root biggrin.gif
post #798 of 1453
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post


I know you mentioned AK240 and i have not heard it yet, but i can well imagine that the story might repeat itself here because AK makes very well sounding DAPs.

Sadly i will not know how AK240 sounds because i am going Calyx M root biggrin.gif


I am also digging for M. Probably going to get it if they introduce a pre order discount at international release.

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post


I know you mentioned AK240 and i have not heard it yet, but i can well imagine that the story might repeat itself here because AK makes very well sounding DAPs.

Sadly i will not know how AK240 sounds because i am going Calyx M root biggrin.gif


Gintaras, when you get your Calyx could you please post your impressions on this thread? Enough of us here have expressed interest in that player as well as mentioned that player in discussion therefore your impressions would be quite welcome on thread.

post #800 of 1453
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post


As for sound quality levels, I don't know about other people's criteria for calling source A better than source B, but as far as I'm concerned, A will have to consistently outperform B with every single one of my IEMs. If it just sounds better with some of them and not so much with others, I'll just call that synergy or a good match. Granted, I haven't heard them all, but to this date I haven't found any audiophile / boutique DAP at any price point that sounded consistently better than my SGS3 smartphone. Your mileage may (and most probably will ;-) vary...

James, you always welcome to borrow my RWAK and DX50, will gladly let you try them for a week or two since i am more busy now and when have time listen to my front end more.

just remember you listened to RWAK only briefly, so perhaps for more comparison you can extend listening period to a week or so? i will also leave memory card with flac music so you can spin back and forth with all your IEMs and phones and tell what you think wink.gif
Edited by Gintaras - 2/17/14 at 11:45am
post #801 of 1453
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post


Gintaras, when you get your Calyx could you please post your impressions on this thread? Enough of us here have expressed interest in that player as well as mentioned that player in discussion therefore your impressions would be quite welcome on thread.

depends when Calyx will start shipping internationally and when and if promotion offer comes.
but i sure will do because M makes me curious as hell biggrin.gif
post #802 of 1453

I definitely would like to see some Calyx impressions here, especially if they end-up being "lemons" and having similar problems to the players that have been mentioned here... ;-)

 

Personally I have to say that I have enjoyed my time with the AK100 MK2 a lot! Sound is excellent, don't have a problem reading my files on both 64gb SD cards, and have just encountered only a few bugs and freezes. Definitely better than the X3. And although the X5 did sound more energetic and warmer (directly comparing) their library issues still bog my mind... let's see if they really fix it upon launch time March/April...

post #803 of 1453
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Originally Posted by fumanchu View Post

Nice thread Folks,

I'm not claiming to know much, and actually that is what brought me to Head-fi a couple of years ago. I needed short and quick advice from enthusiasts ; in my other experiences I have learned that the stuff advertised during the Super Bowl, etc, is often more hype than substance.

My impression from 30 years ago was that the term audiophile implied that that person had an acuity of perception and sharpness of understanding which led to discerning choices in gear... I noted at that time that those choices generally ran cross-current from the easy answers from Radio Shack and Circuit City.

What I'm looking for today on Head-fi is actually a lot more complicated than I would have ever believed! You see, with the immense flow of information available, there seems an abundance of "facts" which are argued on this and other pages. I've really hit the limit on deciphering one "fact" from other conflicting "facts", and concluded that I was best off stating in advance that I don't know much...

: . In addressing this "state of audiophilia" thread, I Just could not resist commenting on this trend towards baffling layers of technology and statistics as I attempt to research a simple answer to my question "if my peers and advertisers say Bose is great and Apple is so super, could a true enthusiast ever just narrow things down to a few decent match-ups and describe the pros/cons?" Who the heck DO I trust?

I was just in Best Buy yesterday and they make the choices so simple,and yet mostly pretty awful. Perhaps I already know too much...

Trust your ears and i see you have the tera.I dont like sharpness as it hurts my ears so i like a dark sound.

post #804 of 1453
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post


James, you always welcome to borrow my RWAK and DX50, will gladly let you try them for a week or two since i am more busy now and when have time listen to my front end more.

just remember you listened to RWAK only briefly, so perhaps for more comparison you can extend listening period to a week or so? i will also leave memory card with flac music so you can spin back and forth with all your IEMs and phones and tell what you think wink.gif

 

Thanks for the offer (and no offense meant), but even though it was only briefly, it was long enough to notice that my FI-BA-SS sound better with the Galaxy S3.

 

Nah, I'll probably give both the AK240 and Calyx M a try later this year. Like I said earlier, I personally don't have a problem with pricing (though of course wished they'd cost less), but I'd at least expect them to sound consistently better than my mainstream sources. If they don't, that will likely be the end of my affair with audiophile / boutique DAPs. :cool: 

post #805 of 1453

@ DigitalFreak, I was a “professional college student” (way back when) who changed majors often before necessity forced me into the job market (without a degree).....and the rest is history.

 

@jazzman7: Exactly

 

@James444; It sounds like it was smart of iRiver to stop trying to compete with Apple (and the rest) in that space. If there's a market for $50,000 stereo equipment, I'm sure there will remain a market for high priced portables. I just think the average member around here will stop focusing on such devices as big smartphone maker's focus on improving their audio implementation.

 

Ironically, all this talk makes me want to give one (or more) of these boutique DAPs a 25 day trial run as well....

post #806 of 1453
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Thanks for the offer (and no offense meant), but even though it was only briefly, it was long enough to notice that my FI-BA-SS sound better with the Galaxy S3.

 

Nah, I'll probably give both the AK240 and Calyx M a try later this year. Like I said earlier, I personally don't have a problem with pricing (though of course wished they'd cost less), but I'd at least expect them to sound consistently better than my mainstream sources. If they don't, that will likely be the end of my affair with audiophile / boutique DAPs. :cool: 

 

Mind you by later this year, the AK480 may supersede the AK240. :)

 

BTW, I assume you are talking strictly about all-in-one piece with no external amp for these comparisons.

post #807 of 1453
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

Mind you by later this year, the AK480 may supersede the AK240. :)

 

Probably, but one has to draw the line somewhere. ;)

 

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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

BTW, I assume you are talking strictly about all-in-one piece with no external amp for these comparisons.

 

I don't own many external amps worth mentioning. I have a trusty old Xin supermicro IV (younger members won't even know this thing) which performs consistently great with everything I throw at it and serves as some kind of a sanity check. Besides that, I'm only using my SGS3 smartphone (international version), a dead cheap Samsung R0 and a Fiio X3 (except for mp3, with which it sounds worse than the former two :P).

post #808 of 1453
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post
 

Hmph, considering I have both the AK120 and the DX50 I wonder myself where some of the DX50 fan boys are finding the cajones to make claims that the DX50 outperforms the AK120 in sonics. My AK is unmodded and it leaves the DX50 behind in the dust. I can only imagine what a modded AK player would do to a DX player in a shootout.

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Did I just stumble across a new idea for a shootout video?



Let just say the DX100 even amped is not comparable to the S-mod with a lesser amp paired to it...

post #809 of 1453
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Probably, but one has to draw the line somewhere. ;)

 

 

I don't own many external amps worth mentioning. I have a trusty old Xin supermicro IV (younger members won't even know this thing) which performs consistently great with everything I throw at it and serves as some kind of a sanity check. Besides that, I'm only using my SGS3 smartphone (international version), a dead cheap Samsung R0 and a Fiio X3 (except for mp3, with which it sounds worse than the former two :P).

 

Ideally, my personal preference is to have a neutral/transparent source (being all-in-1 piece or 1-2 punch) and let the phones dictate the sound signature of my choice.

 

I do believe a 1-2 punch (true LO to a dedicated amp with separate circuit and power design) conceptually may have the edge over the all-in-1 piece, from my diymod experience. The one-piece  concept works for those who prefer to bring a portable instead of stacks, but in my opinion there is a ceiling limit for improvement with that concept (e.g., due to limited space to accommodate quality components or design idea).That may explain what you have stated in your prior post that you have not found one single hi-end dap consistently beating your smart phone.

 

I mainly use the gear in my office sitting in front of my desk, so 1-2 punch works best for me.

post #810 of 1453
I'm really hoping to check out a meet or test other types of equipment with some of you. This hobby does not lend itself well to group analysis as would home systems; the synergies of chatting while listening basically don't seem to exist. Therefore, I find myself over-reliant on the internet reading and less to perception itself.

Lots of choices, varying opinions... Some quite strong.

Still, this awesome thread is evidence that people really care about High Fidelity audio. So the state of audiophile DAP is... Better than ever!
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