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post #421 of 1453
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So frustration from your buggy UI led you to what looked like a "jiihad terriost youtube" against Chinese manufacturers iBasso and Hisoundaudio?   I can't believe after your trashing them iBasso would even work with you.   When I saw your rant I thought "here is a new Saturday Night Live Whiner episode", and was surprised that you didn't cover the players with a black cloth and smash them!!!   I thought with all your hand movements that they ought to come together with you saying my favorite prayer, the Serenity Prayer!   That prayer asks for "the serenity to accept the things you can change, courage to change the things you can't and the wisdom to know the difference."    If I had thrown a full temper tantrum against Aurisonics because my AS2 lacked highs and done a youtube video,  Dale would have told me "to go to heaven."    I wonder, did the video make you feel better, did it bring you serenity?

 

I have the Studio V and I fully understand and accept that I will have a buggy UI and that all I'm getting is the SQ, small size, a bombproof case and long battery life.   Sure I would like it to be better, but that's the way it is.   Jack did the best he could, why shouldn't he?  Do you think Jack and Ibasso want to intentionally set themselves up for angry customers?

 

 Very gratefully, Lee730 has liasoned with both Jack of Hisound and Gavin at Tralucent to help Headfiers make returns and provide feedback to them on their products, with improvement suggestions.   Other Headfiers have also close contacts with different manufacturers  and have acted as "diplomats" between them and Headfiers.   Flysweep was invited by Dale for consults on the new AS2 and ASG2 prototypes.  

 

Digitalfreak,  things that you can change is perhaps increasing Head-fi Diplomacy representatives with the small manufacturers, perhaps put together a group of Headfiers to work with a particular small manufactuer to build a DAP that isn't buggy.   Over a year ago I mentioned to the owner of Leckerton to make a DAP and he was very reluctant.   As Clieos mentioned, a DAP is a whole other ball game than an amp.   I'd love to see Gavin with Tralucent make a DAP, I'll bet with Headfier software engineer members' help it could be done.  A friend of mine on a watch site told me the site got together with a watch maker and made their own member watch, surely that type of project for Headfiers is something you could put your frustration towards which would give you a feeling of helping vs complaining.

 

lmao I thought Arly was gonna have a field day on you for the jihad joke :P.

post #422 of 1453
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I'm a happy-chappy, it's been a bit of a celebration today I suppose, since the 80's I've been buying Walkman's, plug & go, plug & go... guess the song remains the same.

 

So if you have been happy with all the Walkmans you purchased in the past why do you buy new ones? is it because the old ones broke or are you looking for better sound (if this is the case does your whole argument not fall apart and aren't you are just another head-fier always looking for upgrade in SQ - just happen to keep buying Sony instead of some other brand)?

post #423 of 1453
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lmao I thought Arly was gonna have a field day on you for the jihad joke :P.


I thought about going all out jihad but I've gotten to the point where I've become tired of it all. It's obvious to me no matter what I say most people choose to think I ranted and gave a bad review to the DX50 because I either had an ulterior motive that biased my final impressions or I had an ax to grind with iBasso. I give up, I'm no longer going to debate anything anymore. I'm just going to post my findings both good and bad and begin using the ignore and red flag functions when the comments go to far. Forget it, its not worth the aggravation.

 

I'm at a loss how people like purrin, Jude, Tyll, Joker etc are all able to keep their sanity intact.

 

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Upon further thought, purrin is already delightfully and amusingly crazy, think crappy gear impaled onto stakes all Lord Of The Flies like, therefore, nobody dares to mess with him. The few that do usually have either regretted it or tramp around here permanently dazed and confused by him plotting prowess. Strike his name from the above list.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 12/14/13 at 11:59pm
post #424 of 1453
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I thought about going all out jihad but I've gotten to the point where I've become tired of it all. It's obvious to me no matter what I say most people choose to think I ranted and gave a bad review to the DX50 because I either had an ulterior motive that biased my final impressions or I had an ax to grind with iBasso. I give up, I'm no longer going to debate anything anymore. I'm just going to post my findings both good and bad and begin using the ignore and red flag functions when the comments go to far. Forget it, its not worth the aggravation.

 

I'm at a loss how people like purrin, Jude, Tyll, Joker etc are all able to keep their sanity intact.

 

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Upon further thought, purrin is already delightfully and amusingly crazy, think crappy gear impaled onto stakes all Lord Of The Flies like, therefore, nobody dares to mess with him. The few that do usually have either regretted it or tramp around here permanently dazed and confused by him plotting prowess. Strike his name from the above list.

Don't forget that it is a matter of preference.  For example, Purrin didn't care much for the SR009 but he absolutely love the HE90.  As an Orpheus owner, I absolutely love the SR009 and often time considering them as better headphones than the HE90. 

post #425 of 1453
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I have the Studio V and I fully understand and accept that I will have a buggy UI and that all I'm getting is the SQ, small size, a bombproof case and long battery life.   Sure I would like it to be better, but that's the way it is.   Jack did the best he could, why shouldn't he?  Do you think Jack and Ibasso want to intentionally set themselves up for angry customers?

 

No, but in the end they did set themselves up for just that. 

 

Sony did the same thing a decade ago cheapening their brand and making rubbish. They learned their lesson. The point of DF's video is that he hopes iBasso and others do too. Easier said than done however.

post #426 of 1453
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No, but in the end they did set themselves up for just that. 

 

Sony did the same thing a decade ago cheapening their brand and making rubbish. They learned their lesson. The point of DF's video is that he hopes iBasso and others do too. Easier said than done however.

I don't think they made rubbish products though.  Their gears were not bad by any means.  My Sony Pocket Vaio player (40GB MP3 players) was better sounding than any iPod out there.  Sadly, they lost out in a big way in term of marketing to Apple so not many people heard of them.  Even iRiver did the same only to find success by overcharging on the AK brand.

post #427 of 1453
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No, but in the end they did set themselves up for just that. 

 

Sony did the same thing a decade ago cheapening their brand and making rubbish. They learned their lesson. The point of DF's video is that he hopes iBasso and others do too. Easier said than done however.

I don't think they made rubbish products though.  Their gears were not bad by any means.  My Sony Pocket Vaio player (40GB MP3 players) was better sounding than any iPod out there.  Sadly, they lost out in a big way in term of marketing to Apple so not many people heard of them.  Even iRiver did the same only to find success by overcharging on the AK brand.

 

Maybe not all of Sony, but I was working in a store where every single one of a particular Sony notebook, and numerous others of their other models would come back from the customer with faults soon after purchase.

 

I think the problem is that we are too tolerant of mediocrity. 

post #428 of 1453
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Maybe not all of Sony, but I was working in a store where every single one of a particular Sony notebook, and numerous others of their other models would come back from the customer with faults soon after purchase.

 

I think the problem is that we are too tolerant of mediocrity. 

Probably so.  Sony branched out on other ventures but failed to capitalize on what they know best & their root - audio products.  I hope that they can make a come back.

post #429 of 1453
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Probably so.  Sony branched out on other ventures but failed to capitalize on what they know best & their root - audio products.  I hope that they can make a come back.

 

I think that iBasso and others have awakened a desire for this kind of thing. Sony is simply going to use their ability, talent and power to take advantage of that. They definitely intend to from what I've seen.

post #430 of 1453

I've always enjoyed the sound signature of the Sony DAPs that I've had....simple to use, and yes, they just work.  The one failing of them was the lack of gapless playback, and I was not willing to load them (with their limited storage) up with WAV files to get gapless. I still love the sound of my NWZ-S639, but I can't put any gapless tunes on it. I guess the Android Sony players get around this and offer the ability to do gapless, but I've never had one myself, and I am not likely to now, to be honest.

 

With two wi-fi Android tablets and an Android phone, I have all the "connected" devices I need, really....and I have more DAPs than I actually use, too....lol.

post #431 of 1453
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I think that iBasso and others have awakened a desire for this kind of thing. Sony is simply going to use their ability, talent and power to take advantage of that. They definitely intend to from what I've seen.


If Sony gets back to its strengths and delivers like it was the 1980s all over again, it will be a second childhood for me.

 

Still have a pair of Sony E888 and the venerable E484 and countless MD/PCDP. It would be great to see the old giant rise up and deliver a punch in the gut to everyone else.

 

It was something special when the ads used to say "It,s a Sony".

post #432 of 1453
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post
 

I've always enjoyed the sound signature of the Sony DAPs that I've had....simple to use, and yes, they just work.  The one failing of them was the lack of gapless playback

Gapless playback was THE only reason I didn't pick up an x1050 back in the day.  As I listen to a lot of progressive rock and live albums gapless is a must.  The lack of gapless playback on so many player is almost as infuriating as the ui and bugs.

post #433 of 1453
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Gapless playback was THE only reason I didn't pick up an x1050 back in the day.  As I listen to a lot of progressive rock and live albums gapless is a must.  The lack of gapless playback on so many player is almost as infuriating as the ui and bugs.

Can't agree more.

post #434 of 1453
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So if you have been happy with all the Walkmans you purchased in the past why do you buy new ones? is it because the old ones broke or are you looking for better sound (if this is the case does your whole argument not fall apart and aren't you are just another head-fier always looking for upgrade in SQ - just happen to keep buying Sony instead of some other brand)?

 

I've only been on Head-Fi for about 18mths or so as such I'm a relative newbie... I only joined because I was interested in the Z-Series, I never had a clue about portable-fi before that (I'm more a hi-fi type of guy, feel free to insert a 'was' somewhere)... my first DAP was a iCrap (I put that because it sounded like shxt), I then bought a Sony S639 which I had for a few years... my Sister bought me a A-Series for Xmas (I knew I was getting it so I sold my S639 on fleabay), I instantly hated the A-Series (Euro-Cap thingy) and returned it to Amazon and ended up here after I read news of the WM-Z (don't you just love google).

 

I must admit to indulging in a bit of Head-Fi'itis since I've joined but a lot of this is down to experimentation and not the pursuit of musical nirvana (I'm learning fast as they say). Coming from a home set-up to a portable/desktop solution is not a easy transition, I'm still trying to get my head around file-types & music programs and figure to do a 'end game' on that little nugget in the new year. All this is taking its toll for this humble simpleton, I've gone from selecting a CD and shoving in into my gobbler and instant musical gratification, to becoming a overnight Einstein trying to figure how to get my music to play on a PC/DAP that sounds good, that in itself is a upgrade in my book 'you learn to earn'.

 

I pre-ordered the ZX1 a week after it was announced (I definitely wasn't the first), I could of upgraded my WM-Z to the F-806/7 but chose not to because I enjoyed it so much... the F887 & PHA-2 I bought after my ZX1 purchase was done on a whim (I thought the ZX1 was a Feb release at the time), I wanted to get my head around hi-res files and venture into the realms of DAC/Amps which the PHA-2 will serve as a dual-purpose between the PC & DAP... to buy the latter two I've sold amps, IEM's and regrettably my WM-Z, so I'll let you figure if my assumed argument has collapsed under close scrutiny... I best prepare a scaffold & a noose I fear I may of just 'outted' myself.

 

After I've now engrossed you in my life history on Head-Fi please don't ask about my sex-life as envy can be a terrible thing... it's also a deadly sin, bit like Head-Fi truth be known.

post #435 of 1453
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post
 

Gapless playback was THE only reason I didn't pick up an x1050 back in the day.  As I listen to a lot of progressive rock and live albums gapless is a must.  The lack of gapless playback on so many player is almost as infuriating as the ui and bugs.

 

What about the ZX1--does it do gapless?

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