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post #406 of 1453
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@kryten123
I'm going to excuse myself from the conversation I'm having with you and I'm not going to even bother answering your latest post because you're coming across as rather rude.
post #407 of 1453
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@kryten123
I'm going to excuse myself from the conversation I'm having with you and I'm not going to even bother answering your latest post because you're coming across as rather rude.

 

me rude? Nah...just saying it, as I see it.

 

I've shared my thoughts....I'll leave you to it  

post #408 of 1453
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You, me nor anyone else should have to accept badly implemented products that run like crap

 

Amen!

 

 

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I agree we shouldn't have to accept badly implemented products, but half baked products seem to be the nature of this game. 

 

So let's not reward half-baked products by putting up with mediocrity or worse. There are alternatives and life's too short to spend hours and hours downloading and QA testing multiple firmware revisions for manufacturers who ship prototypes that are full of bugs.

 

This community has been conditioned to eat garbage.  We look around and see all the other sheeple bending over backwards to accommodate these manufacturers, so the tendency is to just fall in line with the rest of the herd.  That right there is as much a factor as the manufacturers putting profit ahead of customer satisfaction. As long as our money keeps flowing into their hands, the manufacturers have no incentive to change their strategy.

 

We've also been conditioned to learn and apply workarounds for bugs, which is akin to memorizing a safe path through a mine field!  Example:  "If I format either of only two brands of 64GB SDXC cards as FAT32 with 16k cluster size, then convert my entire music library from WAV to FLAC, gap-less playback works fine - as long as I navigate strictly by folder browsing and I make sure I never put more than 1792 files on the card, which prevents the scan from finishing at power up.  Yay!  I love my new DAP!"  

 

What really _ _ _ _ _ _ me off is the way they introduce new models before they ever get around to fixing all the bugs in the last version. That's the straw that broke this camel's back.  

 

Mike


Edited by zilch0md - 12/10/13 at 4:57pm
post #409 of 1453
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I hear you!  

It's ridiculous what they cost, but I'm about to spend $799 for a Sony field recorder when all I really want is a card-reading portable player with a great DAC to analog Line Out.  Given my three-year experience of flawless, bug-free performance and reliability with the Sony PCM-M10, I have high expectations for the PCM-D100.

My "DAP" for the past three years:  The 96/24-capable Sony PCM-M10 recorder ($210)

The forthcoming, bulkier, heavier, more expensive, Sony PCM-D100 ($799)

- 192kHz/24-bit and DSD 2.8MHz
- Records DSD, WAV and MP3
- Gap-less playback of DSD, WAV, FLAC, MP3, WMA (Non DRM), and AAC-LC (Non-DRM)
- Accepts SD, SD-HC, SD-XC, Memory Stick Pro Duo and Memory Stick Pro-HG cards
- 25-hour battery life on 4 AA batteries
- Optical and analog inputs and outputs
- 13.9 ounces

(Don't plan to use its internal headphone amp - use a Line Out to external amp.)

Available January 2014

Tick, tock, tick, tock....
I might end up getting something like this eventually as a recording device, not necessarily as a so-called "portable" media player.
I have a Tascam dongle for my iPhone to use with binaural microphones and support for the PCM recorder died upon upgrading to iOS 7...
post #410 of 1453
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I might end up getting something like this eventually as a recording device, not necessarily as a so-called "portable" media player.
I have a Tascam dongle for my iPhone to use with binaural microphones and support for the PCM recorder died upon upgrading to iOS 7...

 

The PCM-M10 is just excellent. I mostly use it to record myself cause some times I get some ideas while doing some other things around the house! LOL. But as a strict "player", although limited, it does what it's supposed to and does it well. Just wanted the software to be more friendly (for MP3 playing) but well, it is a recorder after all.

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Just a quick update involving whats going on with my DX50. Originally I was going to return it but after emailing iBasso and talking it over with a couple of friends on head-fi I've decided to give the DX50 another chance. Quoting loosely what one of them said "give the player another chance receiving a sour lemon sometimes happens". In iBasso's defense when I originally messaged them concerning my troubles they seemed more then happy to either exchange the player or process a return. They also agreed to cover the shipping back to them and told me to include a copy of the shipping receipt. What the heck I'll give it another shot and see what happens. My defective DX50 should be in the mail on the way back to iBasso by the end of this week.

So frustration from your buggy UI led you to what looked like a "jiihad terriost youtube" against Chinese manufacturers iBasso and Hisoundaudio?   I can't believe after your trashing them iBasso would even work with you.   When I saw your rant I thought "here is a new Saturday Night Live Whiner episode", and was surprised that you didn't cover the players with a black cloth and smash them!!!   I thought with all your hand movements that they ought to come together with you saying my favorite prayer, the Serenity Prayer!   That prayer asks for "the serenity to accept the things you can change, courage to change the things you can't and the wisdom to know the difference."    If I had thrown a full temper tantrum against Aurisonics because my AS2 lacked highs and done a youtube video,  Dale would have told me "to go to heaven."    I wonder, did the video make you feel better, did it bring you serenity?

 

I have the Studio V and I fully understand and accept that I will have a buggy UI and that all I'm getting is the SQ, small size, a bombproof case and long battery life.   Sure I would like it to be better, but that's the way it is.   Jack did the best he could, why shouldn't he?  Do you think Jack and Ibasso want to intentionally set themselves up for angry customers?

 

 Very gratefully, Lee730 has liasoned with both Jack of Hisound and Gavin at Tralucent to help Headfiers make returns and provide feedback to them on their products, with improvement suggestions.   Other Headfiers have also close contacts with different manufacturers  and have acted as "diplomats" between them and Headfiers.   Flysweep was invited by Dale for consults on the new AS2 and ASG2 prototypes.  

 

Digitalfreak,  things that you can change is perhaps increasing Head-fi Diplomacy representatives with the small manufacturers, perhaps put together a group of Headfiers to work with a particular small manufactuer to build a DAP that isn't buggy.   Over a year ago I mentioned to the owner of Leckerton to make a DAP and he was very reluctant.   As Clieos mentioned, a DAP is a whole other ball game than an amp.   I'd love to see Gavin with Tralucent make a DAP, I'll bet with Headfier software engineer members' help it could be done.  A friend of mine on a watch site told me the site got together with a watch maker and made their own member watch, surely that type of project for Headfiers is something you could put your frustration towards which would give you a feeling of helping vs complaining.

post #412 of 1453

If Gavin is entering into a dap market, I will not get anything until he releases his product :happy_face1: That's one cool dude who listen to us and does his best for us. I don't know about the dap but I wish he could make ciems.

post #413 of 1453

got my ZX1 today... great design, terrific sound, set the language, uploaded some albums and started listening.... guess I'm pretty useless in this thread as a contributor.


Edited by OK-Guy - 12/14/13 at 12:12pm
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Ok the contrary keep the ZX1 impressions coming. About time we had someone post something positive involving a new DAP that delivered what it promised.
post #415 of 1453
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@soundbear

I actually did feel pretty good after filming and posting that video. The DX50 is currently lying in a drawer because iBasso refuses to return it so I've cut my losses with iBasso and have moved on. I don't think there's much else left for me to do or say as far as the DX50 is concerned. Sorry you didn't like my video, hopefully one day you'll run across something I filmed in the near future that will appeal to you.
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got my ZX1 today... great design, terrific sound, set the language, uploaded some albums and started listening.... guess I'm pretty useless in this thread as a contributor.

 

Your ZX1 was made by Sony - you're actually supporting my sentiments with your positive testimony.  It's awesome that Sony can ship a product that works right out of the box.  If it takes the resources of a huge corporation to make things happen as they should, so be it.  That's where I'll spend my money.  I want the same user experience you're enjoying.

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Your ZX1 was made by Sony - you're actually supporting my sentiments with your positive testimony.  It's awesome that Sony can ship a product that works right out of the box.  If it takes the resources of a huge corporation to make things happen as they should, so be it.  That's where I'll spend my money.  I want the same user experience you're enjoying.

 

The thing is though with all the comments floating about in this thread is it any wonder that the great unwashed masses stick to the apple and ipod branding?  As far as they are concerned everything "just works".  Rip a cd to itunes (yes I know), or download from the itunes store (yes I know mark II)transfer it over to ipod/iphone of choice and that's it the end.  No fuss no bother.  I think I said either in this thread or on one of the sony threads that part of the appeal of a sony or apple is that it just works.  Until Ibasso and the others can step up to that sort of standard then unfortunately in terms of ease of use most people would choose apple (or sony at a pinch) and that would be that.  I still think it's rubbish that there seems to be nothing much at all between the sansa clip plus or an ipod.  If I described what some people have to do to get these "boutique players" to work to people at work they'd p**s themselves laughing (they already have a hard time believing that headphones over £50 are worth it!).


Edited by davidcotton - 12/15/13 at 1:21am
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The thing is though with all the comments floating about in this thread is it any wonder that the great unwashed masses stick to the apple and ipod branding?  As far as they are concerned everything "just works".  Rip a cd to itunes (yes I know), or download from the itunes store (yes I know mark II)transfer it over to ipod/iphone of choice and that's it the end.  No fuss no bother.  I think I said either in this thread or on one of the sony threads that part of the appeal of a sony or apple is that it just works.  Until Ibasso and the others can step up to that sort of standard then unfortunately in terms of ease of use most people would choose apple (or sony at a pinch) and that would be that.  I still think it's rubbish that there seems to be nothing much at all between the sansa clip plus or an ipod.  If I described what some people have to do to get these "boutique players" to work they'd p**s themselves laughing (they already have a hard time believing that headphones over £50 are worth it!).


I have a classmate (I can't call him friend really) who has all the newest Apple products. He bought 5S, iPad Air and he has Macbook Air too I believe. He listens to Miley Cyrus which he bought from iTunes store with the default Apple earbuds. He is the happiest guy in the world I swear to you.

post #419 of 1453
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I have a classmate (I can't call him friend really) who has all the newest Apple products. He bought 5S, iPad Air and he has Macbook Air too I believe. He listens to Miley Cyrus which he bought from iTunes store with the default Apple earbuds. He is the happiest guy in the world I swear to you.


I really miss being like that, lol.

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Ironically I'm listening to 'Dazed & Confused' (Celebration Day - another irony), I'm doing it proper 'audiophile' stylie... I've maxed the bass, hit full volume and I've completely been blown away by the end result, the bass the ZX1 kicks out is pretty awesome and completely suits Led Zep's 'live' performance... I guess I won't be joining the 'can you hear the mouse fart on Kind of Blue' fraternity anytime soon, I digress.

 

It does make me giggle when the totl battle of the Daps changing lead on a daily basis, it's like some 'magic mushroom ' induced nightmare where you run around the room reeling away from fang toothed DAP's baying for firmware and 'virgin tags'... thing about Sony DAP's is they do what it says on the tin, they work out of the box and sound pretty excellent. I'm not one of the gullible masses buying a mp3 player because I can't be bothered to be a 'crash test geek' after Head-Fi has been flooded with the latest hyped giveaway (AK120 et al), you don't get a lot of reviewer's reviewing Sony DAP's because for the main you have to buy one, so us who are lucky enough to own one can sit smugly in the corner listening to music whilst the rest duke it out over firmware roll-backs.. 

 

I have this kind of principle about the meagre sobs I earn each week, when I buy something of value I expect it to work out of the box, it's quite a simple exercise in truth. 

 

I'm a happy-chappy, it's been a bit of a celebration today I suppose, since the 80's I've been buying Walkman's, plug & go, plug & go... guess the song remains the same.


Edited by OK-Guy - 12/14/13 at 4:35pm
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