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post #256 of 1199
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

 

Problem is that I prefer the sound of 2 of my different one piece solutions to your stack so your minimum is very different than mine. It doesn't matter which of us is wrong or right but the 2 piece stack as universal minimum is a nonstarter. AK120 needs no further FW updates to be great and my Anniversary 3 UI works well enough for my needs that I ignore my Ipods and Sansas and it has a VG internal amp stage. I don't even think the e17 improves every Ipod. Internal dacs have a huge advantage of not needing to be reclocked or defeat added interface jitter. Full size phones are another matter and carry size already chosen so an amp is appropriate... but for IEMs, one piece if done well, is the right way to go.

Agreed on your point about it being a personal choice.  The AK120 looks like a great player.  When matched up with the right headphones, I'm sure it sounds great (have not heard, so cannot comment on its sound).  

 

My post was really more about the design space than the final answer.  A two-device solution gives flexibility right now, but the flexibility might not be needed depending on what headphones you use, and a single device has plenty of advantages (a single battery to charge is another big one).  

 

For me, the E17 does improve my iPod mini because I got the iPod free from a family member after the headphone jack was worn out (does not hold a headphone plug in very well any more).  That alone is an improvement, but also the low output impedance of the E17 helps my Sony XBA-4 IEMs work best. 

post #257 of 1199
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post

. . . [T]wo-piece setups might be better anyway. If EMI is kept out of the equation, maybe we should be talking ampless sources that are separate from high-end DAC/amps. That's how high-end digital audio systems for the home work for the most part.

I have cerebral palsy, and as such my dexterity is significantly impaired, especially on my right side. For myself, a two-device setup would be highly impractical, perhaps impossible. I understand the average head-fier's perspective might be different, but I would be delighted to have better single-box solutions.

Regards,
Brian
Edited by bcarr112281 - 10/2/13 at 7:50pm
post #258 of 1199

i still have 2 J3 as backups to my initial J3

 

because , looking the available options , most if not all of them are either very expensive or with bad/buggy UIs

i wish Cowon releases a 'new' J3 with even better sound (although I am very pleased with the sound but I haven't ttried another DAP besides clip+ , so maybe I think J3 sounds good)

what do you think , is there a DAP around 200$ that sounds good and has a decent UI ?

post #259 of 1199
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Originally Posted by proedros View Post
 

i still have 2 J3 as backups to my initial J3

 

because , looking the available options , most if not all of them are either very expensive or with bad/buggy UIs

i wish Cowon releases a 'new' J3 with even better sound (although I am very pleased with the sound but I haven't ttried another DAP besides clip+ , so maybe I think J3 sounds good)

what do you think , is there a DAP around 200$ that sounds good and has a decent UI ?

 

There is also [imo] any of the Used HM601. By good UI I mean it works. No bugs or glitches, it just plays music. And the NOS dac sounds magical. But again I'm a pureiest with my DAPS. don't want no fancy BLING BLING, just want Hardware and a simple UI

 

My only gripe with Hifiman is it's lack of "folder" play. I want to play ALL the songs from ONE folder, For example

 

I have a Lossless folder, inside of it are a "rock" "edm" and "jazz" folder. Inside of those 3 are artist folders. I want to be able to play EVERYTHING from the Rock Folder, but NO the Hm series dap's can only play the songs within the DEEPEST level of the folder chain *face palm*

 

Still it sounds good and I eventually just bought "genre" SD cards, which I enjoyed more since well I had 16gbs of each genre with my at all times! 

post #260 of 1199
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post
 

C'mon guys, let's be good to one another!  :smile:  And remember...

 

 

 

 

 

LL

 

This one to close off that pointless k812 thread made me laugh. Is that chick looking straight at me or in the direction of it's beak?

post #261 of 1199

I actually don't think it's pointless as that other thread, I believe that this is something we have to keep in mind when thinking of buying these "boutique" players...

 

 

post #262 of 1199

I have a feeling like FiiO X5 will bring best of the both worlds in one device. James and his team is well known with their endless customer service also, they already have quite an experience from X3. Maybe this device can make our dreams true.

 

On the other hand, Sony is entering to the audiophile world again with ZX1, it can be also a very good device with a nice sound and not bulls**t UI.

post #263 of 1199
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post
 

I have a feeling like FiiO X5 will bring best of the both worlds in one device. James and his team is well known with their endless customer service also, they already have quite an experience from X3. Maybe this device can make our dreams true.

 

On the other hand, Sony is entering to the audiophile world again with ZX1, it can be also a very good device with a nice sound and not bulls**t UI.

 

I've been using the X3 these past few days with Firmware 1.31 (or so) and I have to say I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS with the player yet (playing combination of FLAC, WAV and MP3s. No locks, freezes, weird behavior. Using the line-out to my Schiit Magni. Very good sound as well. The only "bad" thing is battery life and it still seems to go for like 12 hours continuously (I just turn it on, hit play in Shuffle mode and don't touch it until it's time to go...). So... quite surprised I may say... (way better than my other experiences with HiSound, etc.)

 

Sony's player is definitely one to watch!!

 

I just wish that Cowon catches up to 2013 and release something excellent... they are just stuck in the past with their players but still their battery life is incredible!

post #264 of 1199

geolocks,

 

I'm thrilled to hear that someone is happy with their X3, as I've been following that thread for a long time and even now, there are people posting individual problems with the latest firmware and even lists of outstanding problems.  I'm so eager to try it, but I have no interest in having to download firmware updates endlessly, in hopes of getting rid of annoying bugs.  I'm still on the fence.  

 

All I want to do is play 44.1/16 and 96/24 FLACs to Line Out, but I hear there are still some problems with gap-less playback, with songs stuttering at the beginning of play, and other issues. 

 

Still, I have no problem believing you when you say you are not having ANY problems using it the way you wish to use it.  

 

However...  can you tell me if you are intentionally avoiding known pitfalls?  Are you applying "workarounds" to achieve success?

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

post #265 of 1199
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

geolocks,

 

I'm thrilled to hear that someone is happy with their X3, as I've been following that thread for a long time and even now, there are people posting individual problems with the latest firmware and even lists of outstanding problems.  I'm so eager to try it, but I have no interest in having to download firmware updates endlessly, in hopes of getting rid of annoying bugs.  I'm still on the fence.  

 

All I want to do is play 44.1/16 and 96/24 FLACs to Line Out, but I hear there are still some problems with gap-less playback, with songs stuttering at the beginning of play, and other issues. 

 

Still, I have no problem believing you when you say you are not having ANY problems using it the way you wish to use it.  

 

However...  can you tell me if you are intentionally avoiding known pitfalls?  Are you applying "workarounds" to achieve success?

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

 

Hello.

 

Well, I haven't seen the list of issues so not sure, BUT I can say that I DON'T use gapless nor cue files, most of my files have proper tags (since I had to modify them for use with the crappy HiSound Studio V...) and like listed, just activated shuffle mode, hit play and done (after updating the player's library manually). I'm not sure if I can re-create problems others are having but since I just use my players like mentioned above, I'm good.

 

;-)

post #266 of 1199
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post
 

What I am really struggling with, is why players like iBasso and Hifiman get the hard part (hardware) right and the easy part (software) wrong. Anyways I am not so critical but I feel that for a Lamborghini price I should get a Lamborghini, not a Corvette.

 

 

I am sure that this has been addressed, but this attitude is so frustrating. Software is absolutely not the easy part. It takes an enormous amount of time by very talented developers. 

post #267 of 1199
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Originally Posted by reginalb View Post
 

 

 

I am sure that this has been addressed, but this attitude is so frustrating. Software is absolutely not the easy part. It takes an enormous amount of time by very talented developers. 


Only if you insist on re developing the wheel from the ground up.

post #268 of 1199
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post
 

What I am really struggling with, is why players like iBasso and Hifiman get the hard part (hardware) right and the easy part (software) wrong. Anyways I am not so critical but I feel that for a Lamborghini price I should get a Lamborghini, not a Corvette.

 

I think you got it wrong...hardware is the easy part.  Software is the hard part.

post #269 of 1199

Not taking sides on this debate, I'm nevertheless compelled to revisit Hutnicks' post #19 to this thread:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/682750/the-sad-state-of-the-so-called-audiophile-dap-market/15#post_9827829

 

Mike

post #270 of 1199
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Originally Posted by TekeRugburn View Post
 

 

I think you got it wrong...hardware is the easy part.  Software is the hard part.


There you go, and that explains why every 'high-end" dap sounds amazing and better than each other with one thing in common - the lousy UI sucks big time.

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