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post #196 of 1302
the gripes i have are the same - high price, poor buggy firmware/software one top. (agree with op and clieos a few pages back). and <10h battery life.

possibly poor usability in general.
the annoying thing for IEMs is also - high output impedance. (cowon d2/d2+ plus minus rockbox would be about perfect if not for that and resulting somewhat questionable sound for IEMs)
a personal gripe is lack of expandability or poor battery life or inability to manage music by folder and tag (folder if fine but being able to select and enqueue and search is good)

I've settled on a Clip+ + rockbox 3.13 (cheap, low ouput impedance, 10h battery life on flac, tiny, pretty stable and usable).
DX50 looked promising - but android and a bit big. Fiio X3 - the build quality seems meh, and firmware?

I was thinking of going premium android phone with a microsd card slot (one less box to carry around. oh and yea, I don't want a 3inch screen android music player biggrin.gif) + but my lossless audio android experience on my Nexus 4 hasn't been great (no exp card, sometimes dropsouts, very bad battery life, no h/w button control (maybe i didn't look at poweramp closely enough, clunky UI in poweramp). Premium android phones usually cost a fortune... and I don't really know if I want an $800 phone that will unlikely to get N+1 or N+2 Android os updates in case of security updates or usability/functional improvements.


I think I'll buy another clip+ now. small/light, practically disposable, acceptable usability, expandable to 64gb.
until something else comes along.
Edited by svyr - 9/28/13 at 7:05am
post #197 of 1302

yeah,i DO have to go through a convoluted process to get my playlists on it from my Mac.thanks

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post #198 of 1302

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

I just recalled that didn't AK100 started off with some firmware glitches with apple files, and that it didn't support gapless from the beginning....

 

The company is probably 10 times bigger than ibasso and AK100 costs twice as much as DX50....

 

so are they included in this bashing of DAP?

 

 and the DX100 costs more. DX100 is still not loved by some due to it's OS and it's been out a long time. Difference is that AK's did get it sorted. They work quite well right now. Some of these manufacturers keep supplying updates but never get it right.

post #199 of 1302
Sometimes I think they just try to support too many file formats...
post #200 of 1302
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

Sometimes I think they just try to support too many file formats...

 

Tera player does not have that problem (or problem with frequent firmware updates or bloated unnecessary features such as screen and pause button :wink_face:).

But to avoid all those problems and unnecessary features you have to pay the absolute premium price (as a bonus you also get the most incredible SQ, truly pocketable size, and great battery life).  

post #201 of 1302
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Originally Posted by tgdinamo View Post
 

 

Tera player does not have that problem (or problem with frequent firmware updates or bloated unnecessary features such as screen and pause button :wink_face:).

But to avoid all those problems and unnecessary features you have to pay the absolute premium price (as a bonus you also get the most incredible SQ, truly pocketable size, and great battery life).  

I liked the Tera far better when it was a DIY project.

post #202 of 1302

Non 24 bit for a $2k sans screen and pause wav only player. I can understand the love but it's easy not to have bugs when they don't have a food source.:wink_face: 

post #203 of 1302
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

Non 24 bit for a $2k  

 

But it sounds like 96 bit :wink_face:

post #204 of 1302
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post
 

For the joker who feels we have been 'spoiled by ipods', I dont know of a simpler UI than the iPod Classic, but guess what - the clickwheel works. I curse the day I gave mine to a former girlfriend after I got a newer, shinier DAP with a touchscreen - its a minor miracle that Apple are still stocking them at all. 

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/09/goodbye-ipod-classic/ This may make you sad...

post #205 of 1302

You'd have to pay me the $2k to live with a Tera Player....lol.

post #206 of 1302
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post
 

You'd have to pay me the $2k to live with a Tera Player....lol.

 

I figured that - your "love" of the Tera player is well documented in the closed Tera threads :etysmile:.

post #207 of 1302
I'll admit to skipping from pg 3 to the last page. This thread basically covers why I only took one excursion away from iPods and iPhones (Hisound RoCoo BA - Yuck is as nice as I came be...). iPods/iPhones ain't perfect, but they are pretty darned good sounding, and the UI is excellent. Add in the Centrance HIFI-M8 or other "digital extractor" option and you've got an oversize portable-ish stack with high end sound.
post #208 of 1302
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

I'll admit to skipping from pg 3 to the last page. This thread basically covers why I only took one excursion away from iPods and iPhones (Hisound RoCoo BA - Yuck is as nice as I came be...). iPods/iPhones ain't perfect, but they are pretty darned good sounding, and the UI is excellent. Add in the Centrance HIFI-M8 or other "digital extractor" option and you've got an oversize portable-ish stack with high end sound.

 

The main problem is not with the ipod/iphone sounding, it's because even the 9 yrs old kids use the ipod/iphone damn thing. Now if you are an audiophile, do you want to own the gear which is used by a 9 yrs old kid? That will hurt the audiophile pride. Just that placebo will make the ipod/iphone bad sounding.

post #209 of 1302
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post

The main problem is not with the ipod/iphone sounding, it's because even the 9 yrs old kids use the ipod/iphone damn thing. Now if you are an audiophile, do you want to own the gear which is used by a 9 yrs old kid? That will hurt the audiophile pride. Just that placebo will make the ipod/iphone bad sounding.

Then I must not be an audiophile. Personally, I don't care what others do, other than get impressions on what I may be interested in. If it happens to work for me, then so be it.

I've been ghosting the portable source gear forum for a possible replacement to the Ipod Classic I have now. Right now, only the Sandisk Clip Zip would check off what I want from a player. Either I pay higher for a more "finished" product, or I pay less and wait for the software to catch up to the hardware. I've decided to wait for the latter, and continue to enjoy the Classic and Clip Zip that I have now.
post #210 of 1302

I have the Clip+ - rarely use it - just find my 4G Touch easier day-to-day and more versatile - but it looks like I need to get another Classic. 

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