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post #166 of 1453

It's a nice thing the colorfly C3. 

 

Problem for me is the physical volume buttons. I just need them man, but there are of course people who don't mind and therefore won't hold this as a negative.

post #167 of 1453
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What good is it to carry hundreds of CDs in your back pocket when the OS is so clunky half the time you wind up fighting with the hardware just to get it to work?
Sorry, haven't had this problem. Occasional glitches, yes, but mostly I just listen to the music. It's frozen once, I rebooted and all was OK. Had similar problems from time to time with my Ipod, Cowan and Sandisk. But if you are spending literally "half your time fighting with the hardware", I can understand your frustration.
What good is it to have all that music when the OS layout is so primitive and ill thought out you're spending countless extra time navigating through the OS just to get to the piece of music you want?
Haven't had this problem either. My limitation so far is how well the files were named, with about 160 Gb of files available so far. Sorry to hear you are "spending countless extra time".
What good is having a DAP when half your music isn't even populated onto the DAP due to SDCard scanning bugs?
I have 45 Gb on my 64 Gb Micro SD card, it all showed up on the player and plays!
What good is it having a DAP meant to save time when you're spending countless days re encoding files due to limited file support on the DAP?
I haven't had this problem yet, but I only have Standard low-rez MP3 files, CD rips, HD downloads, WAV files and FLAC files. No proprietary files that needed re-encoding. I did have this problem with Mac that required encoding of certain files when I was messing around with that, that's why I got out of Mac/Ipod which DEFINATELY had limited file support to me. I have never downloaded from Itunes...
What good is it having a good sounding DAP when every time you touch a button to navigate through the OS you get popping sounds due to the OS being ill coded?
I haven't noticed this so it must not be a serious problem in my case, but I will pay attention to see if I can duplicate this.
What good is it to have high res support when your files play at twice the intended speed causing the singer to sound like one of the chipmunks?
Never experienced this and I have about 140 Gb total hi-rez files on my player between SD card/USB drive. But I was a phase two purchaser and didn't load HD files until later firmware updates.
I and others on this thread await your answers.
Here they are!

Arly
Kevin

Edited by k3oxkjo - 9/27/13 at 9:24am
post #168 of 1453

^ I have not run into those problems either but I am a later owner of the DX100. The tag cleaning is a bit annoying. I personally just use the folder directories for now, which are very clean and easy to navigate.

 

I think you are always going to have UI flaws when purchasing from a smaller company. It takes a lot of work to get software perfect, and when your a small company its hard to find all the bugs even the large obvious ones.

post #169 of 1453
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Originally Posted by gamefreak054 View Post
 

^ I have not run into those problems either but I am a later owner of the DX100. The tag cleaning is a bit annoying. I personally just use the folder directories for now, which are very clean and easy to navigate.

 

I think you are always going to have UI flaws when purchasing from a smaller company. It takes a lot of work to get software perfect, and when your a small company its hard to find all the bugs even the large obvious ones.

 

Then they should price accordingly if they are not going to give me a near perfect experience! I don't mind the prices of the FiiO X3 or DX50 that much, but once you start looking at the C4, AK100, AK120, DX100, Hifiman901, etc. etc... yeah...

post #170 of 1453
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Originally Posted by gamefreak054 View Post
 

^ I have not run into those problems either but I am a later owner of the DX100. The tag cleaning is a bit annoying. I personally just use the folder directories for now, which are very clean and easy to navigate.

 

I think you are always going to have UI flaws when purchasing from a smaller company. It takes a lot of work to get software perfect, and when your a small company its hard to find all the bugs even the large obvious ones.

How times have changed. It was not too long ago where dealing with a small company was synonymous with more attention to detail, brilliant finishes and personal touches.

 

 I can hardly wait to see what abominations "custom" and "handcrafted" turn into.

post #171 of 1453
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Then they should price accordingly if they are not going to give me a near perfect experience! I don't mind the prices of the FiiO X3 or DX50 that much, but once you start looking at the C4, AK100, AK120, DX100, Hifiman901, etc. etc... yeah...

 

Then we might not get a player at all. I guess I do not fully understand the work it goes into one player, but making these things without having a large production line can eat up a lot of costs, and the start up costs to make a new player can not be cheap either. This is just talking about the hardware aspect. If the company has to knock off a few benjis because of the UI they might find it not to be worth the hassle to make a "boutique" player. You can already see how companies like ibasso are already trying to cut costs, yet make a somewhat functional player by using things like android.

 

As an audiophile community we always complain about the sound. We always ask for the best sounding player we can get. Some of these companies have tried to do this for us, but they are so small (in the big picture) I think they have to cut corners somewhere. Its generally the UI that gets the cuts. UIs take a lot of people to make fully functional without bugs. It seems like they already have to make contracts with some UI companies that lock them into place with the stock UI. Furthermore preventing them from not using UI's like rockbox (well in Ibasso's case, they have stated before they can not allow full support for other players due to a contract or something). 

 

I guess personally I am willing to live with some of the downfalls, granted this is coming from poor ipod experiences too. I know a lot of people do not have the same experiences with ipod I have. So when I see glitches from both I guess I figure I am at least getting really good sound out of one of the players.

post #172 of 1453

Great thread and I feel your pains.  Like Currawong, I sold the DX100 b/c I can't stand its firmware, bugs, and form factor despite loving the sound quality.  OTOH, the DX50 is a real half baked product when it was first released.  Being from the first batch, I experienced all the bugs and continue to do so after 3nd firmware upgrade.  Despite its flaws, I think the DX-50 is a bargain and has much potential once iBasso addresses it shortcomings as well as bugs.  I think we should be glad as we are approaching a golden age of portable listening.  I still remember the crazy days of my cassette, CD, and MD walkman.  It is whole lot nicer able to carry 100 albums with you on the fly.

 

Our blessing maybe in the form of Sony audiophile player, the NW-ZX1, a 128GB flash based player priced at around $800.  Despite the price tag and lack of expansion slot, I have high hope given that all of my Sony DAPs have very good sound quality coupled with a near perfect form factor.  The Walkman line's UI is also polished and intuitive and only second only to Apple's.  Indexing files should not be of an issues given the player's processing speed and speedy onboard memory.

post #173 of 1453
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post
 

How times have changed. It was not too long ago where dealing with a small company was synonymous with more attention to detail, brilliant finishes and personal touches.

 

 I can hardly wait to see what abominations "custom" and "handcrafted" turn into.

 

That was when Dinosaurs ruled the earth (LOL, like the young version of myself) and "attention to detail, brilliant finishes and personal touches" "custom" and "handcrafted" meant literally by hand, yourself.

 

Now it means by your staff of 500 software engineers, assuming you are Apple or some other Corporate behemoth and can afford them. Small companies have to do the best they can with their limited resources but make up for it by targeting niche markets uncatered to by the mainstream entities. I, for one, am glad they at least try...

post #174 of 1453
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
 

Our blessing maybe in the form of Sony audiophile player, the NW-ZX1, a 128GB flash based player priced at around $800.  Despite the price tag and lack of expansion slot, I have high hope given that all of my Sony DAPs have very good sound quality coupled with a near perfect form factor.  The Walkman line's UI is also polished and intuitive and only second only to Apple's.  Indexing files should not be of an issues given the player's processing speed and speedy onboard memory.

 

Sorry, haven't been keeping with Sony DAPs.  I was an early adopter with their offerings, but gave up on them for not natively supporting FLAC.  From what's available on that model, it sure does look like a winner, and with physical buttons for pretty much every important function.  Glad to see all those past Sony proprietary features are absent with this model.

post #175 of 1453

I personally don't like that the Sony is a touch screen Android based player without expansion. It will likely be glitch free but I'd prefer something outside of the Android shell and expandable. 128gb is a lot but if you're playing 24/192 files it gets eaten up quickly. Large music files also means longer transfers to switch up. The AK120 can carry almost 200gb has some physical controls and has swapable drives. 128gb cards aren't that far off either. At that point over 300gb on board will be do-able. Of course, if the Sony kicks everything else's butt, it won't matter. 


Edited by goodvibes - 9/27/13 at 11:39am
post #176 of 1453
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Originally Posted by purk View Post

 

Our blessing maybe in the form of Sony audiophile player, the NW-ZX1, a 128GB flash based player priced at around $800.  Despite the price tag and lack of expansion slot, I have high hope given that all of my Sony DAPs have very good sound quality coupled with a near perfect form factor.  The Walkman line's UI is also polished and intuitive and only second only to Apple's.  Indexing files should not be of an issues given the player's processing speed and speedy onboard memory.

 

I hope you are right, the more alternatives the hi-end DAP market has the better! We shall see. But, for me, there is a big issue right off the bat, no expandable memory. Until there are on board memory solutions of 500 Gb or more, external memory for a hi-rez player is a must, in my view. Hi-rez files can take up space pretty quickly. I just bought a second 128 Gb USB drive for my DX-50 to give me a total of around 300 Gb of usuable storage which will have to do until I can get a 1 Tb drive compatable with the player. The DX-50 with my expansion memory cost me about $450, probably about $200 cheaper than the Sony with its 128 Gb at its probable street price. But for some it may well be worth it.

 

Kevin

post #177 of 1453
I think the Sony MIGHT actually have OTG support seeing the latest pictures of an adapter with USB on the Sony thread... so who knows!
Still, it looks WAY better than these "boutique" players, it might be more stable and will probably have better CUSTOMER SUPPORT and updates... We'll see...
post #178 of 1453
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

I personally don't like that the Sony is a touch screen Android based player without expansion. It will likely be glitch free but I'd prefer something outside of the Android shell and expandable. 128gb is a lot but if you're playing 24/192 files it gets eaten up quickly. Large music files also means longer transfers to switch up. The AK120 can carry almost 200gb has some physical controls and has swapable drives. 128gb cards aren't that far off either. At that point over 300gb on board will be do-able. Of course, if the Sony kicks everything else's butt, it won't matter. 

 

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Originally Posted by k3oxkjo View Post
 

 

I hope you are right, the more alternatives the hi-end DAP market has the better! We shall see. But, for me, there is a big issue right off the bat, no expandable memory. Until there are on board memory solutions of 500 Gb or more, external memory for a hi-rez player is a must, in my view. Hi-rez files can take up space pretty quickly. I just bought a second 128 Gb USB drive for my DX-50 to give me a total of around 300 Gb of usuable storage which will have to do until I can get a 1 Tb drive compatable with the player. The DX-50 with my expansion memory cost me about $450, probably about $200 cheaper than the Sony with its 128 Gb at its probable street price. But for some it may well be worth it.

 

Kevin

 

Well, 128GB is enough for me even for hi-rez files as I don't need to have every albums with me.  The good thing is transferring files will be much faster with the Sony including indexing.  I have the current generation F807 (64GB) and it has a near glitch-free UI with very good sound to boot.  For instance, it didn't take my current unit than couple of minutes to index all my songs.  Of course, I would love a DAP with expandable memory is my preference as well.  However, you can do more with Andriod 4.1 OS.  


Edited by purk - 9/27/13 at 12:54pm
post #179 of 1453

For the joker who feels we have been 'spoiled by ipods', I dont know of a simpler UI than the iPod Classic, but guess what - the clickwheel works. I curse the day I gave mine to a former girlfriend after I got a newer, shinier DAP with a touchscreen - its a minor miracle that Apple are still stocking them at all. 

post #180 of 1453

Well if it ain't broken don't fix it. Unless you jail break it :P.

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